Mrazek Discussion

[Gary Nylund]

Dubas didn’t think Campbell was going to play well and handle the minutes.

It seems like he underestimated Campbell for sure. It's surprising considering he traded for the guy and was in a better position than anyone else to assess what he had. Oh well.

That's not true at all. It's just good management to have two good goalies when possible, especially given the relative uncertainties that existed with Campbell.

It would have been better management to extend Campbell in the summer, it seems Dubas was more concerned about "relative uncertainties" than he should have been.

He’s proven himself to be a .915 goalie over 300 nhl games. That’s very useful. He’ll rebound to the mean at some point.

Exactly. It's mind boggling to see how many people are worried about Mrazek.

I think you keep hold of him and deal with it in the offseason. Campbell is about to eclipse his career high in GP so I think getting rid of the insurance behind him (Mrzaek has to play better, but I'm giving him some time) wouldn't make much sense at the moment IMO.

The only risk is that Mrazek plays so poorly the rest of the way that nobody wants him in the summer. The chances of that actually happening though are so slim that keeping him does seem the way to go. I think we're planning (or at least hoping) to do some damage in the playoffs and it's hard to see how that cap space could be put to better use.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The clear downside of Mrazek isn't his historical save %.


It's he can't stay healthy.

And that's been the case for us.

 

[The90]

The clear downside of Mrazek isn't his historical save %.


It's he can't stay healthy.

And that's been the case for us.

How many times have you shifted the goal posts here? Just take a lap.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It would have been better management to extend Campbell in the summer, it seems Dubas was more concerned about "relative uncertainties" than he should have been.

I was discussing how these "relative uncertainties" impacted the decision to have a reliable 2nd goalie (Mrazek), not the re-signing of Campbell... We have no way to know whether re-signing Campbell in the summer would have been better management, because we don't know whether he was even willing to sign, and if he was, we don't know what kind of contract he would have accepted to do so. Proper risk management is an important part of any GM's job, and there's nothing to suggest that Dubas' negotiations were impacted by an improper amount of "concern" about anything. How about we keep the discussion on Mrazek?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I was discussing how these "relative uncertainties" impacted the decision to have a reliable 2nd goalie (Mrazek), not the re-signing of Campbell... We have no way to know whether re-signing Campbell in the summer would have been better management, because we don't know whether he was even willing to sign, and if he was, we don't know what kind of contract he would have accepted to do so. Proper risk management is an important part of any GM's job, and there's nothing to suggest that Dubas' negotiations were impacted by an improper amount of "concern" about anything. How about we keep the discussion on Mrazek?

We can't ever be sure of anything that goes on behind the scenes but based on what we do know, it does seem like Dubas made a booboo here. I understand you have a different opinion and that's fine.

Campbell was relevant to this discussion long before I mentioned him. And considering you were one of the people discussing Campbell, it seems odd that you now want to "keep the discussion on Mrazek".

 

[Dekes For Days]

We can't ever be sure of anything that goes on behind the scenes but based on what we do know, it does seem like Dubas made a booboo here.

Not sure how you could suggest somebody made a "booboo" when you don't have any information on what happened or why...

And considering you were one of the people discussing Campbell, it seems odd that you now want to "keep the discussion on Mrazek".

I referenced Campbell in the context of why we signed Mrazek...

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not sure how you could suggest somebody made a "booboo" when you don't have any information on what happened or why...

I referenced Campbell in the context of why we signed Mrazek...

LOL wut? We have plenty of information.

 

[Dekes For Days]

LOL wut? We have plenty of information.

The only piece of information we have is that an extension was not signed during that period, which isn't any basis to start throwing blame around.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Campbell also has been letting 4 in the last few games, Andersen was letting in 4. Maybe it is the chances the team is giving up.

Campbell has been awful since Colorado and yes that is concerning but prior to that he was great, Andersen has been great.

Marazek hasn't been great, or even good, or even average he's just been awful, and was awful again last night but he's getting away with it because Toronto has an elite offense.

Halak and Holtby have significantly better numbers on worse teams.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The only piece of information we have is that an extension was not signed during that period, which isn't any basis to start throwing blame around.

 

[Nylanderthal]

He's absolutely sucked this year the thing about moving him, if you do, you have to bring somebody else in because I don't think you want to be 1 injury away from aa Woll/ Hutchinson tandem.

So who would it be? Halak? Holtby?, Jones?, Fluery if you get double retention?

They’re not trading him this season. Like give it up. He was fine last night and shut the door when needed.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Campbell has been awful since Colorado and yes that is concerning but prior to that he was great, Andersen has been great.

Marazek hasn't been great, or even good, or even average he's just been awful, and was awful again last night but he's getting away with it because Toronto has an elite offense.

Halak and Holtby have significantly better numbers on worse teams.

The team in front of him last night was awful for the first 45 minutes. Which goal was explicitly his fault?
Would I of liked a save? Of course. The fact remains he’s a quality tendy with a proven track record. He needs to play more. He’s good.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They’re not trading him this season. Like give it up. He was fine last night and shut the door when needed.

No he wasn't fine last night, he got carried by the offense again.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Dubas has a unique track record of overpaying.

Aside from marner, who’s playing like a franchise player right now who had he overpaid?
Pretty much every team in the league would create cap space to inherit any one of our big 4 forward deals, Morgan Rielly is going to make 1.75m less than Darnell nurse for the next 8 seasons. So again, who’s overpaid?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Are we

No he wasn't fine last night, he got carried by the offense again.

watching the same game? You mean the offence that was asleep and left their Defense at home the first 45?

 

[Gary Nylund]

No he wasn't fine last night, he got carried by the offense again.

LOL carried, he was one of our best players last night.

 

[Confucius]

Campbell has been awful since Colorado and yes that is concerning but prior to that he was great, Andersen has been great.

Marazek hasn't been great, or even good, or even average he's just been awful, and was awful again last night but he's getting away with it because Toronto has an elite offense.

Halak and Holtby have significantly better numbers on worse teams.

Over their careers Mrazek numbers are just as good as Andersens and that is including this seasons so far great numbers by Andersen. So just because they have taken a dip in his first few starts it should be nothing alarming. 280 starts a much more accurate picture than the what 4 games this year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Aside from marner, who’s playing like a franchise player right now who had he overpaid?
Pretty much every team in the league would create cap space to inherit any one of our big 4 forward deals, Morgan Rielly is going to make 1.75m less than Darnell nurse for the next 8 seasons. So again, who’s overpaid?

It's a tiresome myth that Dubas overpays everyone. He overpaid Marner, that was a joke of a contract but that's pretty much it. OK Ritchie maybe but other than that nothing comes to mind and good point about Rielly!

 

[Racer88]

He has been over a 300 game NHL career, are we supposed to think 6 games for the Leafs has fundamentally changed that fact?

That depends. Goalies are weird creatures and can change in a heartbeat.
Just because he has this past record doesn’t mean that he will do that for his entire career. At some point all goalies lose it. And they usually lose it fast

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

LOL carried, he was one of our best players last night.

Yes carried by the offense, when you consistently have to score 5 goals to win whenever one guy is in net you are being carried by the offense.

Marazek has 4 wins, in 3 of those wins he's needed 5 goals to win and got it.

You're damn right he's being carried by the offense.

Hopefully that changes against NJ, but even if it does it's NJ.

I want to see him play well against and beat some good teams.

 

[Nylanderthal]

It's a tiresome myth that Dubas overpays everyone. He overpaid Marner, that was a joke of a contract but that's pretty much it. OK Ritchie maybe but other than that nothing comes to mind and good point about Rielly!

Mitch’s deal is bad and largely indefensible, but even as an RFA Mitch held all the power in that situation. Kyle got roasted by everyone from every side for his handling of Willy and letting him sit.
What realistic options did Kyle have? Trade him? They definitely lose that trade… dare him to sign the offer sheet? What good are draft picks for a team competing? Mitch is far more valuable than 5 magic beans… I guess They could of let him sit? So he can hear about it every day like the Willy situation again and handicap a team that’s competing for a cup by allowing a core piece to sit? I really didn’t see much choice than to make the deal he made. Which when Mitch isn’t 100% on doesn’t look good.
Right now, he’s on and it looks okay.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Mrazek has a good track record and is on a decent contract with term remaining. I doubt there would be a lack of suitors if we needed to trade him.

 

[Confucius]

That depends. Goalies are weird creatures and can change in a heartbeat.
Just because he has this past record doesn’t mean that he will do that for his entire career. At some point all goalies lose it. And they usually lose it fast

I guess all players can, Mathews hasnt scored in 4 games now. He is done. See how silly that sounds.

 

[Ashdown2]

which is why Dubas should have doubled down in Campbell a long time ago

stop playing the hinsight 20-20 game
either way whats your problem exactly ? mras has value and wouldnt be hard to move

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yes carried by the offense, when you consistently have to score 5 goals to win whenever one guy is in net you are being carried by the offense.

Marazek has 4 wins, in 3 of those wins he's needed 5 goals to win and got it.

You're damn right he's being carried by the offense.

Hopefully that changes against NJ, but even if it does it's NJ.

I want to see him play well against and beat some good teams.

If mrazek doesn’t shut the door after that 4th goal the team would’ve needed all 7 just to get to OT the way they were playing the first 45-50 mins. Again I’m doubting if we’re even watching the same game, or if you just make reactions based on stat watching