Move over Jim Benning, Joe Sakic is the worst GM in the NHL (long)

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Avs were also getting badly outshot every night and Varlamov was going superman mode to save the team. That squad was not good. Look at the defense, one of the worst in the NHL. Anybody with any sense could tell you that team probably wasn't a contender. Unfortunately the Avs front office lacks any sense.

It doesn't matter they had a good record to be playing in the playoffs teams that will be playing in the playoffs don't like to trade away players like that they like to trade for players who can help them win. If they traded him away it would of hurt their chances to win in the playoffs and go against what teams do.
 

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Who cares what there stats said, they were first in the division with lots of luck sure but there have been worse teams go far in the playoffs. The second you trade him, how do you justify that to fans and owners hoping to win the cup (even if it was a longshot a bit). If there have been any trades of that kind, with a division winner selling a important piece I am genuinely curious to see. It was a lose-lose situation for him, sell Stas and fans are mad because they are giving up, keep him and not get any assets and fans are mad.

All of these guys that looked to have regressed this year under the new coach looks bad sure, but it isn't like we had much choices to get a coach. Blame the guy that bailed on the team a month before the season, I am sure that effected the locker room and doomed them from the start.

He hasn't been great as GM no arguing that, but it isn;t like he acquired a contender to begin with and turned it into a bottom feeder. This team has just had the wrong direction ever since the glory days and it is always a step behind. I wouldn't be sad to see him go but at the same time I am actually curious to see how he handles these trades if they happen (I think he will get good value at least)
 

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uhh granlund trade was great
same with lack
and what's wrong with the miller signing? the guy looks like buffalo miller
 

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Benning is worse.

- Kesler for Bonino, 21st overall, and Sbisa (not a cap dump, he was targeted in trade...)
- Garrison (top 4 d-man at time) for late 2nd
- That late 2nd for Linden Vey
- 3rd for Dorsett
- 3rd for Andrey Pedan
- Gustav Forsling for Adam Clendening
- Kassian + 5th for Prust
- Bonino, 2nd, and Clendening for Sutter and 3rd
- Lack for 3rd
- Shinkaruk for Granlund
- McCann, 33rd overall, and 4th for Gudbranson and 5th
- 5th for Larsen

I would've assumed that Shinkaruk (22 Yo, 14 gp, 4 pts in NHL) for Granlund (23 Yo, 150 gp, 50 pts) would've been seen as a win now especially this season... Has Granlund been a disappointment then or has Shinkaurk show'n something to show that he will still be better at the NHL level?
 

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There's been a lot of talk of late regarding the Avs dumping their core and blowing it up. Some people seem to be mistaken that Joe Sakic deserves a shot to rebuild the team. He doesn't. He has built the worst team in the NHL (while spending to the cap) and doesn't deserve to spend another day as an NHL GM.

While Sakic has had time to learn and make mistakes, what pisses me off the most is how long it's taking him to fix those mistakes. Most importantly, why the hell is Iginla and Beauchemin still getting significant playing time? The Hawks broadcast put it perfectly tonight when they said that it's overdue that Colorado starts sitting it's veteran players. Especially Iginla at this point. Jarome is embarrassing himself out there. He can't hit, skate, shoot, deke or clear the puck. Completely useless and taking up a valuable roster spot for no reason. I get that you're paying him. But, right now, you're paying him to destroy the identity of your team while having any good efforts by young players go out the window. What a disgrace this situation is.
 
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Avs were 25th in the league in terms of shots against the year they won the Central. They were also 20th in shots per game.

They should have gotten value for Stastny. Difference between a good and bad front office is the ability to tell the wheat from the chaff, and the Avs front office bought into the false hope of that team. A better FO would have gotten value.

I can't recall one example of a team being in that same position ever selling a top-6 center at the deadline for future assets. They weren't a bubble team, they finished the year 52-22-8, for 112 points. Regardless of what the analytics say, you don't sell when you're in that position.

When has a team ever been in that kind of position and traded a top-6 player for future assets at the deadline? Serious question, has it ever happened?
 

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At the times of the trades they were very poor value.

What an ignorant thing to say. From your perspective and some online rags, yes. But a good GM makes trades like these because he knows more about the players than you do.

Ragging on him for trades that have worked out because they 'seemed' like poor value trades at the time is just the pushing of a ridiculous agenda. It's intellectually dishonest.
 

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I would've assumed that Shinkaruk (22 Yo, 14 gp, 4 pts in NHL) for Granlund (23 Yo, 150 gp, 50 pts) would've been seen as a win now especially this season... Has Granlund been a disappointment then or has Shinkaurk show'n something to show that he will still be better at the NHL level?

Granlund is great defensively and has a sense for scoring goals (Unlike Mikael). However he's undersized, prone to being lazy, and is bad in faceoffs.
 

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Rene Bourque was a good under the radar last minute signing. In the Avalanche games I've seen this year he's playing hard and contributing. He's a serviceable bottom sixer, who I think a lot of GM's closed the book on.
 

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Benning is worse.

- Kesler for Bonino, 21st overall, and Sbisa (not a cap dump, he was targeted in trade...)
- Garrison (top 4 d-man at time) for late 2nd
- That late 2nd for Linden Vey
- 3rd for Dorsett
- 3rd for Andrey Pedan
- Gustav Forsling for Adam Clendening
- Kassian + 5th for Prust
- Bonino, 2nd, and Clendening for Sutter and 3rd
- Lack for 3rd
- Shinkaruk for Granlund
- McCann, 33rd overall, and 4th for Gudbranson and 5th
- 5th for Larsen


- Sbisa signed for 3 years, $3.6M per year (as an RFA)
- Miller signed for 3 years, $6M per year with an almost full NTC
- Dorsett signed for 4 years, $2.65M per year
- Sutter signed for 5 years, $4.375M per year
- Eriksson signed for 6 years, $6M per year with NTC/NMC and is buyout-proof


- Let Hamhuis, Vrbata, Richardson, Matthias walk for nothing as UFAs

Kesler handicapped Benning as he basically only wanted to be dealt to Anaheim. Sbisa has definitely gotten better but the contract extension was bad.

Garrison deal at the time was bad, but it's looking fine now.

Vey deal was bad and Willie Desjardins made it even worse

Dorsett trade was meh....

Pedan trade was bad

Forsling trade was the worst one out of here

Kassian trade was pretty bad considering we added a 5th lol

Bonino trade is meh

Lack trade was very good

Shinkaruk trade is very good

McCann trade looks very even right now tbh

Larsen trade was meh

Sbisa contract sucks

Miller contract isn't that bad as people think

Dorsett contract is bad

Sutter contract is bad

Eriksson contract is bad
 

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Too many teams nowadays who want to put their "greatest player" in that executive role, and then can't tell them to get out because it soils the history.

I've really no clue what makes NHL owners think that players make good executives. Like, if I deliver the in house mail at Goldman Sachs for a decade, should they make me a board member when I retire?

Cam Neely is another example of a player who has done nothing but harm ever since given presidency of the club.
 

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Sakic has been a horrible GM so far and still there are those who try to defend him :shakehead

He has made the Avs worse and ruined what was once a promising looking team to build around. Not only is he a bad at evaluating talent he also has real issues in hiring good staff to help him as an example pro scouting has been a joke. Keeps assembling garbage coaching staffs. Loses almost any trade that he makes. Is brutal in the UFA market. There are almost no redeeming factors except the RFA contracts. The sooner Sakic gets fired or steps down the better.
 

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Sakic should never have been GM. Understand your role and your strength and weaknesses. Not everyone can be Yzerman.

Shanahan was hired by the Leafs, if he wanted he could have easily fired Nonis and put himself in as the GM along with president but instead he just hired people from all sorts of backgrounds and brought together a group of guys that know certain areas of the game much better than him to take over those positions.
 

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While Sakic has had time to learn and make mistakes, what pisses me off the most is how long it's taking him to fix those mistakes. Most importantly, why the hell is Iginla and Beauchemin still getting significant playing time? The Hawks broadcast put it perfectly tonight when they said that it's overdue that Colorado starts sitting it's veteran players. Especially Iginla at this point. Jarome is embarrassing himself out there. He can't hit, skate, shoot, deke or clear the puck. Completely useless and taking up a valuable roster spot for no reason. I get that you're paying him. But, right now, you're paying him to destroy the identity of your team while having any good efforts by young players go out the window. What a disgrace this situation is.

Well, technically, you're also paying him to help you get a high pick this summer :naughty:
 

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Only reason he got Duchene, Landeskog, Varlamov, Barrie, and Mackinnon signed on good deals is because I feel he was being stubborn, and not because he has good negotiation skills.
 

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Only reason he got Duchene, Landeskog, Varlamov, Barrie, and Mackinnon signed on good deals is because I feel he was being stubborn, and not because he has good negotiation skills.

Oh.. well in that case you must certainly be correct.
 

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I agree completely with you.

Another issue I have is that our past tree head coaches (Bednar, Roy, Sacco) have all been rookie NHL head coaches. We need to bring in someone with some experience for once.

Last Summer a guy like Jacques Martin was available and the Avs didnt even care to look at him, hiring rookie coaches has to stop.

We need someone who was there b4 and will know how to react when things go south.
 

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There's been a lot of talk of late regarding the Avs dumping their core and blowing it up. Some people seem to be mistaken that Joe Sakic deserves a shot to rebuild the team. He doesn't. He has built the worst team in the NHL (while spending to the cap) and doesn't deserve to spend another day as an NHL GM.

Joe is one of my favorite all time players, and an NHL legend, but there is no way that he should ever be at the helm of an NHL franchise again. While he has shown some ability to keep the talent that he has, Sakic has an abysmal record when it comes to bringing in talent.

A breakdown of his moves. I left out a bunch of two way contracts and minor deals like that. None of them have really been impactful either way. A couple of guys on two way/small deals played way too many games at the NHL level, but that's more a function of the Avs poor scouting and depth, not an indictment of those players or the deals they were signed to.


Good moves:

Sakic has shown the ability to resign players at a team-friendly number. As a former player Joe seems to insist on treating players with professional respect, and I think that guys respond to this treatment.

He has signed Duchene, Landeskog, Varlamov, Barrie, and Mackinnon to pretty friendly deals. For as much as I'm about to bash Sakic, he does deserve genuine credit for this.




Mixed moves:


Did resign ROR to a two year deal. It was basically just kicking the can down the road, but two extra years of O'Reilly certainly isn't a negative. Perhaps this should be in the "good moves" category.

Traded Steve Downie for Max Talbot. Two players that have declined hard and were pretty useless after this trade. Meh.

Resigned Erik Johnson at 6M for seven years. I suspect this will end up in the "bad" category, but I'll reserve judgement for now.

Blockbuster trade, ROR for Zadorov. Obviously there are a lot of moving pieces here, and it's to be seen where Zadorov ends up as a finished prospect. Grigorenko literally puts in a Filatov level effort, Jamie McGinn rules.

Signed Blake Comeau, three years 2.4 per. Comeau is a fustrating player, but a decent bottom sixer. Hasn't always lived up to the contract, but does provide some value.

Trades Connor Bleakley, Kyle Wood, Alex Tanguay for Mikael Boedker. Boedker provides a little value but leaves, Kyle Wood is tearing up the AHL right now. Very close to being in the "bad" category.




Bad moves:

Traded a second round pick for Reto Berra, who sucks.

Resigned Reto Berra to a three year deal. :facepalm:

Resigned John Mitchell for three years at 1.8M a year

Signed Iginla to a three year deal at over 5 mil a year. Did have one good year, but Sakic is paying 16 mil for 56 goals from a scorer. Not good enough.

Traded Parenteau and a fifth for Danny Briere. Briere basically didn't do anything and retired after the season, Parenteau had a couple more decent seasons.

Trades a second and a sixth for a clearly washed up Brad Stuart :facepalm:

Proceeds to give a two year extension to Brad Stuart for 3.6M a year BEFORE HE PLAYS A GAME. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :cry: To the surprise of nobody he proceeds to play horribly and eventually gets bought out.

Let Paul Stastny walk instead of trading him because the Avs were looking at the playoffs. Horrible asset management, especially when you're not a contender. :facepalm: Horrific.

Signed Carl Soderberg to a five year deal at 4.75 per. Soderberg has 10 points this year and has literally quit trying, he just coasts.

Signed Beauchmin to a three year deal, NMC, 4.5 per. Not an NHL level defenseman right now. Had a good half a season, but is horrible. If he wasn't on this huge contract I literally think he would be in the AHL right now.

Trades a third for Eric Gelinas, a player who cannot skate, handle the puck, play defense, or seemingly do anything other than shoot at an NHL level. He sucks.

Signs Joe Colborne to a two year, 2.5M per year deal. I bet Joe Colborne has a nice smelling locker because there's no way he breaks a sweat out there. Only forward that I have ever watched at any level that has literally stood in one spot for an entire PK.

Signed Fedor Tyutin to a one year, 2M deal. Not the worst in terms of length, but Tyutin is horrible and an AHL level plug at this point.


I understand that prospects take time to reach the NHL, but Sakic is coming up on his fifth draft as Avs GM and only two players (Mackinnon and Rantanen) are currently on the team, and 2014 first round pick Conner Bleackley didn't even get an ELC.






Joe Sakic has been wheeling and dealing for depth for four years now and has literally come up with nothing. A couple players on big contracts have had one good year and then become an albatross, today the best player that Sakic has brought in is Blake freaking Comeau. Somebody tell me why he deserves another day. Totally clueless. Avs are horrible and Joe Sakic is a massive culprit.


Posts like this one are just stupid, last year it was Steve Yzerman as the worst GM(and this year he is a good GM) and now it is Sakic, if the Avs do good next year, than Sakic becomes a good GM.
 

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I can't believe the Boedker trade goes into the mixed category. It was absolutely deplorable and furled purely by delusion and ignorance, completely indicative of the ineptitude and incompetence the OP is trying to argue for. It will go down as the signature move and a bow on how they've run the franchise for three years, death by a thousand paper cuts and yet we are here and can't stop the bleeding.

Oh I agree that someday the Boedker trade will probably end up as a pretty terrible mistake, but Wood is still an AHL player that has never played an NHL minute. It's more of an "I'm reserving judgment" type of score.
 

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The problem in Colorado is Sakic (and previously Roy).

They were set-up to be very successful had they gone with the "default" options:

1) Re-sign ROR (top-6 center locked down)
2) Re-sign Statsny (middle-6 center locked down)
3) Draft Larsson (2nd pairing anchor RD)
4) Draft Jones (Franchise RD)

Instead, they tried to be cute and it has blown up in their face. Traded dollars and quarters for nickles and dimes. Wingers are just not that valuable.

1) Nikita Zadorov (ok), Mikhail Grigorenko(eh), J.T. Compher(depth player at best), 2015 2nd round pick (too early)
2) Signed Soderberg for $4.75 million/year (ugh)
3) Drafted Landenskog (a winger at #2? really?)
4) Drafted Mackinnon (a good flashy forward, but not somebody to build a team around)

Had they just gone with the default, they would have Johnson and Barrie available for trade for a LD and a really good young winger. Heck, if they were smart, they could have gotten 2 LD and 2 wingers in those deals, because teams are desperate for RD.

Those are the moves that killed the franchise.
 

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I wonder if Avs will take a chance on Hitch when Yeo takes over for the Blues. Hitch has mentioned that he's still interested in coaching after this season.
 

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I agree completely with you.

Another issue I have is that our past tree head coaches (Bednar, Roy, Sacco) have all been rookie NHL head coaches. We need to bring in someone with some experience for once.

How often does a coach walk out on a team in August though?
 

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