Move over Jim Benning, Joe Sakic is the worst GM in the NHL (long)

[chet1926]

If the Ava can build off last seasons success, I’ll give Sakic credit. If they fall back, a lot of questions will be raised

We still have Makar, Timmins, Kamenev, Bowers, Ottawas 1st rd pick 2019, Meloche, Kaut etc. waiting in the wings. Most Avs fans realize that this is a 3-5 year process and we're not going to be contenders for a few more years. If there is a step back, which quite possibly there could be, Avs fans won't question it. It takes time for young talent to develop properly.

 

[NobleSix]

lol, none of these goofs mentioned in this thread have anything on Marc Bergevin.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

lol, none of these goofs mentioned in this thread have anything on Marc Bergevin.

Chiarelli definitely does, I think he's even worse. Hard to imagine, I know.

 

[RandV]

Makes you wonder if, perhaps, the words from above are that they don't want a rebuild. They want to be as competitive as possible, so spend to the cap.

As funny as those moves are, have they/will they stand in the way of the rebuild happening smoothly? Without giving it much though, I'd say probably not. Maybe Eriksson, seeing as he still has 4 years left at $6M.

Yes it's exactly that... or was that. Come Spring when the Canucks are sitting in the basement Linden and Benning are all about this wasn't going to be easy and we have to build for the future, but starting July 1st it's all about being competitive and trying to make the playoffs. I don't have these things saved by there are compile quotes and tweets that show them flip flopping back and forth like this over several years.

I will say that that after 4 inept years it seems they may be finally ready to take more of a 'rebuild' stance this summer... we'll see. And yes while the Canucks have Boeser/Pettersson/Hughes and no one other than maybe Eriksson may really hurt us long term, I think there's still 3 key points here:

1. The last 3 seasons as a Canuck fan from an entertainment perspective have been a complete waste of time
2. While we got the standard top picks as compensation for sucking there are loads of extra rebuild assets we missed while Benning was trying to 'compete'
3. Even if the team drafts well, with how inept the pro roster decisions have been the last 4 years shouldn't that kill any confidence that they could transition out of a rebuild? Eventually you're picks are going to make it or not, and you'll need to get back to pro roster moves to build around them.

Basically for the last 3 seasons the Canucks have spent to the cap and gone into the season aiming for the playoffs... yet have the combined worst record in the league through that span. When for example the Flames were ineptly trying and failing to compete for the playoffs during in Iginla & Kipprusoff's last few seasons there, they were at least finishing at around the 90 point mark and 9th-10th in the West.

While I understand if people but Bergevin or Chiarelli ahead as they have the sexier screw ups on better teams, I still think Benning is the most functionally inept GM in the league. Like if you were to assign GM's ratings like EA does with players in their games, he'd have the lowest OV. In reality it just isn't as visible because rather than killing an already good or an up and coming team he took over the Canucks at the start of a downturn/transition phase so there's no real expectations.

 

[Jtown]

Sakic doesn't hold a candle for Bergevin (the Worst) and Chiarelli (2nd worst).

i don't know how Chia can be considered anything but the worst. He is Milbury reincarnate.

 

[Bouboumaster]

i don't know how Chia can be considered anything but the worst. He is Milbury reincarnate.

Marc Bergevin gave a 10.5M contract to a goaltender, and then, at the end of the season, he threw him under the bus.
He also let Radulov go for nothing.
Same thing with Markov. And then he signed Karl freaking Alzner, and said to the media with a straight face that he was sure the defense would be better that way.

Chiarelli is bad, like real bad. But this up there is some champions f***eries. And don't let me started on the Subban and Sergatchev trades.

 

[Jtown]

Marc Bergevin gave a 10.5M contract to a goaltender, and then, at the end of the season, he threw him under the bus.
He also let Radulov go for nothing.
Same thing with Markov. And then he signed Karl freaking Alzner, and said to the media with a straight face that he was sure the defense would be better that way.

Chiarelli is bad, like real bad. But this up there is some champions ****eries. And don't let me started on the Subban and Sergatchev trades.

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these are the ranks of scoring leaders that chiarelli had his hand in getting rid for nothing

 

[Canucks LB]

Jimbo is basically a Pokemon trainer.
He starts off in the beginning of his journey and chooses Charmander when he drafted Virtanen
His Pokemon evolved into Charmeleon when He picked Boeser
He then got beat by team rocket in 2016 with awful contracts and draft (in juolevi)
But after fighting through all the hardships he evolved again...
Charizard was born!, he pulled off a stupidly good draft in 2017, Drafting Elias Pettersson
This year he got his mega-Evolution and his once charmander has transformed into Mega Charizard with Drafting Hughes
As you can see it's been a tough journey to be a true Pokemon champion, but Jimbo this year is going to challenge the Elite Four when he does not sign Awful contracts for the first year ever, and one day hopefully becoming a true Pokemon Master

 

[Frank Drebin]

Botterill might be here someday. Guy traded the 6th round pick to Toronto for their 6th round pick next season.

Yeah you are thinking who cares but it's the principle of the trade. Toronto's pick is going to be way later than Buffalos next year.

The guy didn't even get any value, he actually lost the trade. Especially when the trade right after was for a team to move up into 6th for a 5th round pick next year.

Botterill is clueless.

Thats like trading a nickel for a penny though. Sure you lost, but who cares?

 

[AvsGuy]

Sakic has gone from a poor inexperienced GM (Stuart, Iginla, Berra, Bleackley) to a good experienced GM (Zadorov, Girard, Grubauer, Rantanen/Jost). His moves the past few years have unequestionably improved this roster.

 

[BLONG7]

lol, none of these goofs mentioned in this thread have anything on Marc Bergevin.

Came in to post this............Bergevin has taken the clown label, and taken it to another level...

 

[Mr Zappalanche]

This thread needs a change of title badly. Sakic is curently top 10, maybe top 5 GM.

 

[Wats]

lol, none of these goofs mentioned in this thread have anything on Marc Bergevin.

Taylor Hall/Jordan Eberle/16th overall (Mat Barzal)/33rd overall

for

Adam Larsson/Ryan Strome/Griffin Reinhart

He's done more damage in terms of setting franchise back...and says a lot since MB basically put the Habs in the hole for at least another 4-5 years.

 

[Jimbo57]

Yes it's exactly that... or was that. Come Spring when the Canucks are sitting in the basement Linden and Benning are all about this wasn't going to be easy and we have to build for the future, but starting July 1st it's all about being competitive and trying to make the playoffs. I don't have these things saved by there are compile quotes and tweets that show them flip flopping back and forth like this over several years.

I will say that that after 4 inept years it seems they may be finally ready to take more of a 'rebuild' stance this summer... we'll see. And yes while the Canucks have Boeser/Pettersson/Hughes and no one other than maybe Eriksson may really hurt us long term, I think there's still 3 key points here:

1. The last 3 seasons as a Canuck fan from an entertainment perspective have been a complete waste of time
2. While we got the standard top picks as compensation for sucking there are loads of extra rebuild assets we missed while Benning was trying to 'compete'
3. Even if the team drafts well, with how inept the pro roster decisions have been the last 4 years shouldn't that kill any confidence that they could transition out of a rebuild? Eventually you're picks are going to make it or not, and you'll need to get back to pro roster moves to build around them.

Basically for the last 3 seasons the Canucks have spent to the cap and gone into the season aiming for the playoffs... yet have the combined worst record in the league through that span. When for example the Flames were ineptly trying and failing to compete for the playoffs during in Iginla & Kipprusoff's last few seasons there, they were at least finishing at around the 90 point mark and 9th-10th in the West.

While I understand if people but Bergevin or Chiarelli ahead as they have the sexier screw ups on better teams, I still think Benning is the most functionally inept GM in the league. Like if you were to assign GM's ratings like EA does with players in their games, he'd have the lowest OV. In reality it just isn't as visible because rather than killing an already good or an up and coming team he took over the Canucks at the start of a downturn/transition phase so there's no real expectations.

dont you get tired of regurgitating the same tripe over and over again.

When Benning took over the team it had arguably the worst prospect pool in the league. He had a bunch of declining players tied to no trade/no move contracts. Kesler tied his hands by giving him a 2 team trade list. Hamhuis wasnt exactly opened to being traded. Edler basically said he did not want to be moved. He was also hindered by an owner that likes to meddle and most likely wanted to keep the old core competitive. Think about it, the owner just committed to 14 million a year on the sedins, do you thin he wanted to rebuild? Really?

Anybody that thinks that the Canucks could have been turned around in 4 years or less is highly delusional. Problem with people like you is that instead of comparing the moves to other GMs in the league, you compare him to an unrealistic ideal, as if draft picks cant be whiffed or acquired players have no possiblity of not working out. While you sit there and cry about trading fodder away for guys like Gudbranson and Granlund (when i mean fodder i mean assets that have done very little) he has quietly assembled one of the best prospect pools in the league and unloaded a tonne of cap. He has not been perfect by any means, but he is not the dolt that myopic satisfy me now fans like you make him out to be.

I know that you will go into another diatribe...but before you do that...answer this. In 2014 do you really think that any GM could have turned the team around in 4 years?

 

[McShogun99]

I actually like what Benning is building with the Canucks, they are getting prospects that play the new NHL style. Sakic has done a complete turnaround and is looking to build a team in Colorado that could be good for years.

 

[RandV]

I actually like what Benning is building with the Canucks, they are getting prospects that play the new NHL style. Sakic has done a complete turnaround and is looking to build a team in Colorado that could be good for years.

Yeah don't get me wrong I love Horvat and Boeser and am excited to see what Pettersson and Hughes can do, but unless you have some generational talent a team isn't built off 5 players and the concern is more the players that will be acquired around him, to use Benning's own terminology the Granlund's and the Sutter's and the Eriksson's and so on.

I mean just looking at the blueline, outside of the draft this is the entire list (I believe) of dmen acquired by Benning in his 4 years: Luca Sbisa*, Adam Clendening*, Matt Bartkowski, Andrej Pedan*, Troy Stecher, Erik Gudbranson*, Philip Larsen*, Michael Del Zotto, Derek Pouliot*. And 6 of those guys were acquired through trades (*) where we paid the equivalent of an entire years draft class to acquire them.

 

[The Burdened]

Benning and Sakic aren't THAT bad.

I think some of the once upon a time HF GM darlings are worse like Treliving & Nill.
I wish I could be amazed that Jim Nill is still living off of the Tyler Seguin trade, but it doesn't surprise me.
How has he been allowed to hire 3 head coaches in 5-years?

 

[marciiauzii]

I'm amazed about all in this thread. You know that GMs are not the only ones making these decisions? a lot of people are involved in all the trades, signings, drafts. Its not a bad GM, its a bad team.

 

[Field of Dreams]

The Duchene trade was legendary. When Avs draft Hughes next year it will look even better.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Great crow thread. Love this.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Hf boards at its finest.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Dorion saving Sakic's job