Post-Game Talk: Mother's Day Massacre. Series tied 2-2
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Dr.Funk
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NastyKnies
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yes please#43 next game? ... please?
I'm on me knees.
Not My Tempo
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Ah yeah my bad let’s just keep doing what we’re doing. Been working pretty good so far these last two games
hockeyes
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I don't know how the players accept such gutless losses year after year. This wasn't even a game, it was over within the first minute and not a single push to gain momentum. You could almost hear the circus music going on in their heads as they mindlessly skated around running down the clock for 60 minutes.
BallardEra
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Before this series started my main concerns were Keefe and Campbell. Keefe reminds me of the Boudreau era Caps. Solid coach but not the one who will get you to the ultimate prize.
A determined team requires very little coaching. Coming out so flat in a playoff game has nothing to do with coaching. You can't come in hot one game and cold the next. There aren't 82 games in the series.
OVO16
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There's no way another team had a softer group of forwards than
Kerfoot - Mathews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Kase
MIkheyev - Kampf - Engvall
This is what Dubas learned from his mistakes from prior years? How can you seriously tell me thats a group of forwards you wanna go to war with in the playoffs?
What a joke. The coaching staff and management staff ar the softest i've ever seen.
I look at guys like Point/Cirell/Kucherov/Stamkos/Palat/Killorn/hagel/Paul for Tampa out here creating havoc and energy.
My god what a difference
Kerfoot - Mathews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Kase
MIkheyev - Kampf - Engvall
This is what Dubas learned from his mistakes from prior years? How can you seriously tell me thats a group of forwards you wanna go to war with in the playoffs?
What a joke. The coaching staff and management staff ar the softest i've ever seen.
I look at guys like Point/Cirell/Kucherov/Stamkos/Palat/Killorn/hagel/Paul for Tampa out here creating havoc and energy.
My god what a difference
Man Bear Pig
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The Leafs need to engage more, no doubt, but thinking such a minor player will play a crucial role is ridiculous. I'd love it if Simmonds and Clifford could provide that Tom Wilson role, but neither has been at that level in a long time. It was a shit effort all-round.
I hope not. He hasn't shown much. At least with Campbell there's a (slim) chance he plays great
Nylander pulling the rip cord on his parachute and making a business decision is what analytics doesnt show you.
Guy had a 3 or 4 steps at least and was like
"Nah i'm good, just take the puck"
Guy had a 3 or 4 steps at least and was like
"Nah i'm good, just take the puck"
The effort tonight was pathetic. I dont have much confidence in this group but heading back to Toronto against the defending champs tied 2-2 isnt too shabby
MSZ
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I honestly don't know how to be positive or negative considering we've seen two variations of the Leafs in four games so far. The game 2 loss was just due to taking way too many penalties, for 70% of the game, the effort was still intact for large chunks of the game. I complained, but I actually had positives to bring from that game.
Even though they got 3 goals in the third period, it's tough for me to bring anything positive out of this game.
The defense and entire team hung Campbell out to dry, but Campbell wasn't great either, so while it's not all on him, some of it was just bad goaltending too.
Just Holl was absolutely atrocious in the first period. Absolutely mind-blown at how Keefe decided to put him back in after his game 3 performance? Pinches, took a dumb penalty, gave Tampa Life with a powerplay goal in game 3 and the Leafs hang on by the skin of their teeth the rest of the game, Holl shows up in game 4 and basically says, hey Tampa, want a free 3-4 goals? Just flabbergasted at the chance after chance this piece of shit is given. WHY? Who the f**k cares if he's good on the PK. If he's terrible at 5 on 5 and makes his team worse, I don't give a flying shit how good he is on the PK.
Tavares? Embarrassing would be the nicest thing I could say about his overall effort. He had maybe one good play all game and that lead to a goal by Nylander. Complete non-factor in this series. At least in games one and two he was a monster on faceoffs, now he can't even do that properly. No foot speed, no offensive drive, no 50-50 battles being won, no passion, no effort, no extra pep in his step, all the cliches, he's completely a ghost out there.
Nylander does what he always does. Coasts, plays soft, scores a few goals, disappears for 3-4 games. I don't even care that he scored twice, that gaffe at the blue-line was just soft, led to the empty net goal. Same for Tavares, lost a 50-50 battle, ends up the ice, in the back of our net, 2nd empty net goal.
I guess the lone positive I have about Nylander is that maybe this will spark and motivate him to do better in game 5?
Matthews I'm very disappointed in. I don't care about a useless powerplay assist, at 5 on 5, he and Marner brought nothing in game 4 and for the most part, did the same thing 5 on 5 in game 3. You can't be a 60 goal scorer, have 106 points and then decide to play scared when the games matter most. His two goals in this series are A. One from being at 5 on 3, was a good shot, but it's pretty much a gift. B. Second goal was an empty-netter gift from Vasilevskiy. I mean, good on him for having the awareness, but that was just a freebie.
Zero goals in games two, three and now four from our top offensive producer... it's not good enough. He's doing what he's done most playoffs, show up for a game or two, coast the rest of the way and play scared. He was good in his rookie series against Washington and had another good series against Boston, but was invisible last post-season, one goal, 2 goals in 5 games against Blue Jackets, 1 goal in 7 games against Boston in 2018. It's... NOT.... good enough.
Marner isn't putting up goals either when it matters most.
When David Kampf has as many goals as your two offensive weapons, a guy who had ONE goal all season with the Blackhawks the season prior, then you know they aren't doing their jobs.
Campbell is pretty much playing like I expected he would. Lets be realistic, I was giving him shit for months from December 15th all the way until early April. He was hovering at around 880% and 3.25 GAA for 4 months straight, my confidence in him was pretty much nil.
He was good in game one, but wasn't tested, he was gifted a shutout by Tampa Bay. They now showed that one. He was great in game 3, but pretty meh in games 2 and 4. Not all his fault, mind you, too many penalties in game 2 and just bad all around in game 4, but him being streaky is pretty much how I expected him to be.
My only positive from this game? Kallgren gave up 0 goals in relief, then again, he wasn't tested overly either, but I have to try to find something? Anything?
I said the Leafs would take this series in 6 games, I still feel they will. I don't know why I feel that way, but I choose to have some faith. The series isn't over yet. If they lose game 5 at home, then it's over. If they win game 5, then I think it's the Leafs for the taking.
I'm exhausted from this team, they know how to make you sing their praises one game and then make you hate them the next game. Two polar opposites in the playoffs. I just HONESTLY felt like we wouldn't see a complete NO show in game 4 after that heartbreak in the playoffs last year. I mean.... HOW do you do that? I just... I have no words for itt. So baffling that a team with THIS many talented players can look like an ECHL team.... it BLOWS my mind.
So disappointed.
Even though they got 3 goals in the third period, it's tough for me to bring anything positive out of this game.
The defense and entire team hung Campbell out to dry, but Campbell wasn't great either, so while it's not all on him, some of it was just bad goaltending too.
Just Holl was absolutely atrocious in the first period. Absolutely mind-blown at how Keefe decided to put him back in after his game 3 performance? Pinches, took a dumb penalty, gave Tampa Life with a powerplay goal in game 3 and the Leafs hang on by the skin of their teeth the rest of the game, Holl shows up in game 4 and basically says, hey Tampa, want a free 3-4 goals? Just flabbergasted at the chance after chance this piece of shit is given. WHY? Who the f**k cares if he's good on the PK. If he's terrible at 5 on 5 and makes his team worse, I don't give a flying shit how good he is on the PK.
Tavares? Embarrassing would be the nicest thing I could say about his overall effort. He had maybe one good play all game and that lead to a goal by Nylander. Complete non-factor in this series. At least in games one and two he was a monster on faceoffs, now he can't even do that properly. No foot speed, no offensive drive, no 50-50 battles being won, no passion, no effort, no extra pep in his step, all the cliches, he's completely a ghost out there.
Nylander does what he always does. Coasts, plays soft, scores a few goals, disappears for 3-4 games. I don't even care that he scored twice, that gaffe at the blue-line was just soft, led to the empty net goal. Same for Tavares, lost a 50-50 battle, ends up the ice, in the back of our net, 2nd empty net goal.
I guess the lone positive I have about Nylander is that maybe this will spark and motivate him to do better in game 5?
Matthews I'm very disappointed in. I don't care about a useless powerplay assist, at 5 on 5, he and Marner brought nothing in game 4 and for the most part, did the same thing 5 on 5 in game 3. You can't be a 60 goal scorer, have 106 points and then decide to play scared when the games matter most. His two goals in this series are A. One from being at 5 on 3, was a good shot, but it's pretty much a gift. B. Second goal was an empty-netter gift from Vasilevskiy. I mean, good on him for having the awareness, but that was just a freebie.
Zero goals in games two, three and now four from our top offensive producer... it's not good enough. He's doing what he's done most playoffs, show up for a game or two, coast the rest of the way and play scared. He was good in his rookie series against Washington and had another good series against Boston, but was invisible last post-season, one goal, 2 goals in 5 games against Blue Jackets, 1 goal in 7 games against Boston in 2018. It's... NOT.... good enough.
Marner isn't putting up goals either when it matters most.
When David Kampf has as many goals as your two offensive weapons, a guy who had ONE goal all season with the Blackhawks the season prior, then you know they aren't doing their jobs.
Campbell is pretty much playing like I expected he would. Lets be realistic, I was giving him shit for months from December 15th all the way until early April. He was hovering at around 880% and 3.25 GAA for 4 months straight, my confidence in him was pretty much nil.
He was good in game one, but wasn't tested, he was gifted a shutout by Tampa Bay. They now showed that one. He was great in game 3, but pretty meh in games 2 and 4. Not all his fault, mind you, too many penalties in game 2 and just bad all around in game 4, but him being streaky is pretty much how I expected him to be.
My only positive from this game? Kallgren gave up 0 goals in relief, then again, he wasn't tested overly either, but I have to try to find something? Anything?
I said the Leafs would take this series in 6 games, I still feel they will. I don't know why I feel that way, but I choose to have some faith. The series isn't over yet. If they lose game 5 at home, then it's over. If they win game 5, then I think it's the Leafs for the taking.
I'm exhausted from this team, they know how to make you sing their praises one game and then make you hate them the next game. Two polar opposites in the playoffs. I just HONESTLY felt like we wouldn't see a complete NO show in game 4 after that heartbreak in the playoffs last year. I mean.... HOW do you do that? I just... I have no words for itt. So baffling that a team with THIS many talented players can look like an ECHL team.... it BLOWS my mind.
So disappointed.
Stephen
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Leafs are saving their best stuff for Game 8 as usual.
NastyKnies
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
We were great that series but that was another example of a loss after being up in a series. We suck once we have a lead in a series.
Stephen
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Damn you're speaking quite highly of Keefe with that comparison. At least ol' Bruce was good to make it to the 2nd or 3rd round every year
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They're not comparable. Keefe has a couple decent regular seasons but also a bunch of the most embarrassing chokes in team history. Boudreau had his team consistently at the top of the league and they would lose to Crosby and Malkin in the playoffs.
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