Player Discussion Most disappointing Hughes Acquisition (All Michkov talk here)

[sampollock]

Michkov.

he will end KH career sounds like here

 

[ReHabs]

I actially feel Newhook is like Lekhonen.. i serviceable 3rd liner who can slot into top 6 in case of injury

He’s producing like a low end player. Non physical, on pace for like 20 pts. How is that serviceable in a serious team’s top6?

 

[OldCraig71]

I was so hyped about Dach last year. Coming into the season I thought he was going to crush it. He absolutely smashed it in preseason. Seemed to really be clicking with Slaf. I was so excited. And then... boom. Injury.

The player we've seen this year? I just don't know who this guy is.

This is probably shades of the guy the Hawks were willing to trade away despite having all of the tools to help lead them in their rebuild if they saw it in him.

As for passing on Michkov as others have mentioned, management wouldn't make that mistake again and grabbed Demidov with their first pick. The unfortunate part is that we could have had both and wow, that would have made us a powerhouse team for 10 years.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This is probably shades of the guy the Hawks were willing to trade away despite having all of the tools to help lead them in their rebuild if they saw it in him.

I still don't buy this. The guy we saw before the injury was awesome. We know the Hawks mismanaged his wrist injury so what could they have really seen with him? I remember reading that Dach was pissed with them about how they handled things and he's right. The way they rushed him back was totally stupid.

As for passing on Michkov as others have mentioned, management wouldn't make that mistake again and grabbed Demidov with their first pick. The unfortunate part is that we could have had both and wow, that would have made us a powerhouse team for 10 years.

Yeah. I've agree with pretty much every move KH has made. He's done exactly as I'd have done. Traded for picks, dealt for prospects... Everything he's done has made sense.

At the draft table, you know you're unlikely to get the BPA every time. But Mich was a well known product. I wanted him and we went another way. Nevermind the rationale for it, Mich is looking like a star and from that respect we know we missed out on that. I also wanted Wright but I think we're good with what we got there.

End of the day, you'll miss out on some picks and win on others. But not getting Mich sucks. Even if RB turns out great, it'd have been nice to have that kind of scorer here. I won't call this a mistake yet as we still need to see Rb, but we know that we lost out on a great scorer no matter what.

 

[sampollock]

He’s producing like a low end player. Non physical, on pace for like 20 pts. How is that serviceable in a serious team’s top6?

sad really

 

[waitin425]

Rein could be that simply by virtue of not landing Michkov that draft. Jury is still out until we see what we have in DR.

 

[Kennerback]

Michkov was the BPA by far and we did a great deal getting Laine. But I think Habs fans underestimate the fact that some player need special psychological management.

I don’t see enough concern about the fact Laine comes with attitude concerns. And Michkov does too.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I also don't think we get Demidov if we draft Michkov , I learned this from Ashton Kutcher a long time ago.

 

[rahad]

seems the way all posts are that Michkov will break KH as a GM here

It won't break Kent.But the honeymoon is over for him at Montreal. It goes both way for MSL and Kent. If we had another bad early season (next year). it could be the end for MSL. Same for Kent if we miss the playoff in 2027.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

He’s producing like a low end player. Non physical, on pace for like 20 pts. How is that serviceable in a serious team’s top6?

On pace for 18.22 goals. That's actually good lol. He can definitely hit 20!

If he was on pace for 18.22 points, that would be bad.

But in this instance, for this specific situation, goals are seen as more valuable than assists, and let's remember that he has zero. 6 goals in 27 games is what matters here. If he can keep scoring goals there's no issue with Newhook. Let's let him develop, no rush at all.

 

[OldCraig71]

I still don't buy this. The guy we saw before the injury was awesome. We know the Hawks mismanaged his wrist injury so what could they have really seen with him? I remember reading that Dach was pissed with them about how they handled things and he's right. The way they rushed him back was totally stupid.

Yeah. I've agree with pretty much every move KH has made. He's done exactly as I'd have done. Traded for picks, dealt for prospects... Everything he's done has made sense.

At the draft table, you know you're unlikely to get the BPA every time. But Mich was a well known product. I wanted him and we went another way. Nevermind the rationale for it, Mich is looking like a star and from that respect we know we missed out on that. I also wanted Wright but I think we're good with what we got there.

End of the day, you'll miss out on some picks and win on others. But not getting Mich sucks. Even if RB turns out great, it'd have been nice to have that kind of scorer here. I won't call this a mistake yet as we still need to see Rb, but we know that we lost out on a great scorer no matter what.

It was a small sample size LG and young players have good runs only to revert to struggling with consistency, we are seeing this with Slaf as well. There are many factors at play but in Dach's case, most of the players today are free to seek secondary opinions on matters of health, and as for Dach being pissed at the Hawks, it isn't uncommon for a player to vocalize feelings once a trade is made.

As I mentioned before, the Hawks posters I interacted with mentioned the things with Dach we are seeing now. He's still young and might reach his potential but he is struggling right now. A stint in Laval might not be the worst option for him, a chance to play against inferior players might help him with his confidence level.

I think that one of the main reasons that NHL teams passed on Michkov was because of the conflict going on in that region and not character issues with an 18-year-old kid.

Hughes and Gorton didn't allow Demidov to end up elsewhere and yeah, look at Shane Wright figuring things out. My daughter's boyfriend played with him in minor hockey before being derailed by concussions and a bad shoulder injury and he has a hard time understanding why SW has struggled but assures me that Wright will be a very good NHL player.

 

[Mikah]

He’s producing like a low end player. Non physical, on pace for like 20 pts. How is that serviceable in a serious team’s top6?

He was at his best in that role last year, playing 3rd line with Armia and Gallagher.

I would say that's the right spot for him.

It just seems disappointing because they thought they had a steal and could be a top 6. Which he is not.

 

[le_sean]

This board will never tire of absurd premature overreaction. Now nobody trades Romanov for Dach cause of a 30 game sample size? OK.

Thank god the GM seems like they never listen to public opinion cause damn.

It’s a 240 game sample size actually. He’s shown to be a good player in like 30-40 of them. In his "good" season he had 20 EV points while playing with our two best players.

 

[sampollock]

we may never make playoffs becuse KH did not draft Michkov

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It was a small sample size LG and young players have good runs only to revert to struggling with consistency, we are seeing this with Slaf as well. There are many factors at play but in Dach's case, most of the players today are free to seek secondary opinions on matters of health, and as for Dach being pissed at the Hawks, it isn't uncommon for a player to vocalize feelings once a trade is made.

As I mentioned before, the Hawks posters I interacted with mentioned the things with Dach we are seeing now. He's still young and might reach his potential but he is struggling right now. A stint in Laval might not be the worst option for him, a chance to play against inferior players might help him with his confidence level.

You and I aren't going to agree on this one. We know the Hawks mismanaged his injuries. What Hawk fans on HFBoards tell us is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. We know that organization f***ed things up.

Small sample size here? Yes. But we saw the potential and we saw what he could do. We also saw him coming into last year with a head of steam and tons of momentum before the injury.

Now? Totally different guy.

Maybe you're right. Maybe there was a motor problem to begin with. But I don't believe that. I think without the injury we'd have loved this guy. And maybe we still will - but like I said, I wouldn't depend on him for anything anymore.

I think that one of the main reasons that NHL teams passed on Michkov was because of the conflict going on in that region and not character issues with an 18-year-old kid.

Hughes and Gorton didn't allow Demidov to end up elsewhere and yeah, look at Shane Wright figuring things out. My daughter's boyfriend played with him in minor hockey before being derailed by concussions and a bad shoulder injury and he has a hard time understanding why SW has struggled but assures me that Wright will be a very good NHL player.

I saw reports on Michkov wanting to go to Philly and turning some teams down. They may have seen a red flag there, I don't know. Maybe that will all come out in a 30 for 30 special one day but for now we just don't know what happened there. What we do know is that Mich looks like he's going to be a superstar. So missing out on him sucks. My hope is that RB becomes a stud on our back end. It may not make up for not getting Mich but at the end of the day, we're working to build the best team and he would plug in at a real need.

Btw, if you're going to say that injuries are a valid reason for Wright, then shouldn't you do the same for Dach?

 

[Egresch]

One of these players is Slafkovsky and the other was NOT recently given a talking-to by his GM for his lackluster efforts and play.

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Let me check which one has 65 hits and 18 blocks and which one has 18&8. Also wondering which one played with stable linemates and which one spent most time with worst +/- guy in whole NHL.

 

[ReHabs]

Let me check which one has 65 hits and 18 blocks and which one has 18&8. Also wondering which one played with stable linemates and which one spent most time with worst +/- guy in whole NHL.

You measure success by hits and blocked shots? Are you Michel Therrien?

 

[kyne]

I didn't read through the whol;e thread. Based on what I've read so far, why do I get the impression that a lot of fans here would have been utterly convinced that Guy Lafleur was a total bust after two years in the league and Sam Pollock mindless for picking him first?

 

[sampollock]

I didn't read through the whol;e thread. Based on what I've read so far, why do I get the impression that a lot of fans here would have been utterly convinced that Guy Lafleur was a total bust after two years in the league and Sam Pollock mindless for picking him first?

and Michkov not being a hab will destroy this franchise.

 

[OldCraig71]

You and I aren't going to agree on this one. We know the Hawks mismanaged his injuries. What Hawk fans on HFBoards tell us is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. We know that organization f***ed things up.

Small sample size here? Yes. But we saw the potential and we saw what he could do. We also saw him coming into last year with a head of steam and tons of momentum before the injury.

Now? Totally different guy.

Maybe you're right. Maybe there was a motor problem to begin with. But I don't believe that. I think without the injury we'd have loved this guy. And maybe we still will - but like I said, I wouldn't depend on him for anything anymore.

I saw reports on Michkov wanting to go to Philly and turning some teams down. They may have seen a red flag there, I don't know. Maybe that will all come out in a 30 for 30 special one day but for now we just don't know what happened there. What we do know is that Mich looks like he's going to be a superstar. So missing out on him sucks. My hope is that RB becomes a stud on our back end. It may not make up for not getting Mich but at the end of the day, we're working to build the best team and he would plug in at a real need.

Btw, if you're going to say that injuries are a valid reason for Wright, then shouldn't you do the same for Dach?

Sorry for the poor wording, it was my daughter's boyfriend who had his hockey dream cut short due to injury.

I didn't read any reports that Michkov didn't want to play in Montreal, I just remember Washington and Phoenix. I mean, establishing a good hockey culture is important but it's best to draft BPA and hope that things work out, talent is too rare to ignore when given the chance to get it.

In a 32 team salary cap league, most competitive franchises are lucky to have 2-3 years of contention before being dismantled and it is imperative to draft well and unfortunately, it doesn't always work out. Reinbacher might end up winning the Norris someday and we may win a cup with him anchoring our defense and Michkov might be a flash in the pan, time will tell. Cheers.

 

[Egresch]

Best player of his draft class, the 2022 draft class, is just as relevant as panicking because Poehling scores 3 goals or because Hutson looked bad in 1 or 2 shifts. Cooley as a better PPG ratio. D-men like Mateychuck and Mintyukov will most likely look better when all is said and done. But let's be honest....2022 will most likely be seen as one of the weakest draft in history. Being better or top 5 or top 10 won't be the scouts fault, they have to work with what's given to them....but in the grand scheme of forming a championship winning team....it won't be as defining as most drafts are.

I still will be behind Slaf and think he's a fine player. He worries me a little...but still believe in him and think he will be serviceable. But he has to f***ing play like he f***ing means it and like he can destroy everybdoy. Way too shy right now. The cockiness in his talking attitude as to be transformed into cockiness in the ice.

Sorry, you are right. Hutson looks like the best, Slaf is 2nd. How can we then blame GM for drafting them.

 

[LaP]

On pace for 18.22 goals. That's actually good lol. He can definitely hit 20!

If he was on pace for 18.22 points, that would be bad.

But in this instance, for this specific situation, goals are seen as more valuable than assists, and let's remember that he has zero. 6 goals in 27 games is what matters here. If he can keep scoring goals there's no issue with Newhook. Let's let him develop, no rush at all.

What also matters is that it is not sustainable long term. He wont finish the year with 18 goals and 18 points. So he will either have to keep scoring those goals while also creating plays for Caufield and Suzuki to get more points or the law of average will hit him.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

People saying Slaf must be really crazy. Kid broke several club records last year and still looks like the best player of his draft class.

Lol no shot. Cooley looks way better than him.

But to answer the question, definitively the Reinbacher pick.

 

[kyne]

and Michkov not being a hab will destroy this franchise.

I remember people saying that about Daigle, Lecavalier, Denis Savard. I prefer a real villaiin to a false hero. Give me a Dave Manson or Ulf Samuelson to play with Arber and terrify opposing teams.

 

[Egresch]

You measure success by hits and blocked shots? Are you Michel Therrien?

Sam Bennett had 41 points in 69GP. Zibanejad had 72 pts in 81 GP, both playing for strong teams. Who was more valuable? Dont act like Cooley aims for 100pts season and Slaf for 20.