TheMadHatTrick
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Value of: Morgan Rielly
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TheMadHatTrick
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Ok, Dubas.
It's not a speculation thread. It's a valuation thread. Unclench your butt cheeks.
Malaka
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TheMadHatTrick
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Cool story, bro. Why bother posting in a thread you have nothing to add to?
Severson?
He's basically Morgan Reilly lite
Someone that can be on P1 but you wish you had someone better? check!
Doesn't do anything spectacularly but is average and somewhat above average at everything? check!
Wish he was on your 2nd pairing instead of your 1st? check!
Prone to 1-2 big gaffes each game? check!
the one player that is still on the team that remembers the terrible losing seasons? Check!
Not suggesting they should be traded for each other though.
He's basically Morgan Reilly lite
Someone that can be on P1 but you wish you had someone better? check!
Doesn't do anything spectacularly but is average and somewhat above average at everything? check!
Wish he was on your 2nd pairing instead of your 1st? check!
Prone to 1-2 big gaffes each game? check!
the one player that is still on the team that remembers the terrible losing seasons? Check!
Not suggesting they should be traded for each other though.
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Because your throwing out an absurd premise all because the TML have gone on a bit of a run while missing not Just Rielly but Muzzin and Brodie. During this time Murray has been a wall and the forward group is playing out of its mind team defence.
Rielly is signed to a below average deal, and while not a great defender he is better than most considering he is facing the NHLs toughest competition. All this stretch has done IMO is show our coaching staff and management that we can trust players like Sandin and Liljegren with tougher defensive starts and we should play Rielly less and them more.
Furthermore if there is the opportunity to make changes maybe it’s time to make some good hockey trades if certain trends continue. Find new homes for Engvall, Kerfoot and Holl. It’s one game but if Timmins can replace Holl as a bottom pairing D and Liljegren and Brodie play more of the top 4 I’d be happy with Benn as our 7th. Especially if it could nab us a decent bottom 6 forward. Kerfoot for Kap with some retention or for Comtois straight up would be interesting as we get younger, bigger, more physical and gain control.
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This but unironically
Severson is a bottom pairing PP specialist. To suggest they are even close to the same is laughable. Rielly is very underrated on HF. As others said, not for sale.
Especially when other D of his level are going for 9M he is a steal
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No Leaf fan wishes Rielly was on the 2nd pairing, he's the best d-man we have and criminally underrated here. And he's one of the few who always turns his game up a notch in the playoffs. Guy has finished in 5th and 11th in Norris voting...2nd pairing lmao
There have been a lot of teams that have had a good 20-30 games in a season, the Devils haven't even finished their first successful season in a decade or qualified for the playoffs yet, all they've done is have a great start to their season.
This thread is nonsense. The Leafs finally are dominating games ddefensivelyand you suggest we trade our best D, laughable. The Leafs defense is excellent especially when Reilly and Brodie are back. The team needs a top 6 winger who plays a power game.
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Well they aren't and won't, but he's not the best defenseman and probably never has been. The time to trade him was before the contract extension because now the team would look like shit trading a core piece that everyone on the team LOVES, who also took a discount compared to what other "top-pairing" defenseman got.
The reason for it is simple though, he's a top-15 offensive defenseman, and he also might be the worst defensive defenseman in the league (that plays in a top-4 role). He's useful in specific situations, but he's also overutilized, shouldn't be on PP1, and his value in the league likely far exceeds what he actually brings- a guy who's offense barely makes up for just how bad he is defensively at 5v5 and relatively below average on the PP. The teams defense also has barely took a hit without him, especially replacing him with their like 10th and 11th defenseman which im sure has spurred this thread, but its not worth thinking about because i cant see the Leafs trading him. He does make it so Tessa Virtue is also always around though, so he's got real pluses too.
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I honestly can't say I've ever thought of what Rielly's trade value is because I just don't see them trading him as even remotely plausible. Like less plausible than moving Matthews, Tavares or Marner.
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You need to watch more teams if you seriously think this.
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He should be (as I've said for years).
He's the most unnecessary piece out of their core players. He can't play defense to save his life, and the PP offense is entirely replaceable.
It's really not much of an exaggeration. Rielly is one of the single worst defensemen defensively in the NHL.
His shot heat maps just light up beet red in front of his own net. That's not good. He's one of the worst rush defenders in the game and that is shown in his manually tracked entry defense numbers.
Morgs
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All this is correct but there's real value in a defenseman that can create offense 5v5 like he can. Even if they're awful defensively. There's less than 15 guys that do it like he does. Consistent at it for a long period of time too. Not to mention he's virtually always positive in net xG, GF, and CF so even though the defense is truly THAT bad he comes off positive in every aspect of his minutes on the ice.
The issue is simply that he's THAT bad defensively like you said. Eye test, numbers, any which way you look at it, its awful. The question simply becomes is that the style of player you want to be using 23+ minutes a game and in important situations, and strangely the Leafs do despite every other player on the team having an insanely strong commitment to defense.
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