OT: MLB Thread XLVII

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People complaining about pitchers using tar should really step back and understand that a lot of batters use tar/grip-enabling substances for their bats, and did so before a lot of pitchers adopted using tar.

Imagine complaining about pitchers having more control of the ball and preventing slippage and whatnot that could be dangerous. Frickin' boomer/old school mentality.
I get the logic of it, though. For pitchers, spin rate is en vogue, and using grip enhancing substances to increase the spin rate is a legitimate and effective tool (as our good buddy Bauer pointed out then demonstrated). If the foreign substance issue was truly just a matter of gripping the ball better, I wouldn't really pay any attention to it, but we've seen this phenomenon with spin rates increasing year over year by huge amounts recently.

If it's getting to the point where the advantage pitchers are gaining is so great that the hitters just can't keep up, I would say it's worth looking into. And I think we're about at that point. The solution IMO is to provide some better version of rosin for the pitchers to use, or doing something to the baseballs to make them less slick beforehand (beyond just rubbing with the mud). I want pitchers to control the ball, of course, but I think it's getting silly where almost every pitcher not only throws in the mid-to-high nineties with movement, but also has at least one breaking ball that's disgusting. The hitters stand no chance. And then it's also becoming a bit like the PED situation where pitchers feel compelled to use some type of substance even if they don't otherwise need it, because if they're not adding a few hundred RPMs to their pitches then they're falling behind.

I don't think it's quite as big of a deal as it's being made out to be, but I do think that MLB should try to rein it in a bit and maybe establish some uniformity so pitchers can comfortably grip the ball but also aren't dramatically improving their results at the same time.
 
People complaining about pitchers using tar should really step back and understand that a lot of batters use tar/grip-enabling substances for their bats, and did so before a lot of pitchers adopted using tar.

Imagine complaining about pitchers having more control of the ball and preventing slippage and whatnot that could be dangerous. Frickin' boomer/old school mentality.

It’s a good point. Why should pitchers have to use bare hands when batters get to use batting gloves and gorilla glue?
 
I don't think it's quite as big of a deal as it's being made out to be, but I do think that MLB should try to rein it in a bit and maybe establish some uniformity so pitchers can comfortably grip the ball but also aren't dramatically improving their results at the same time.
Yes. This is it.

But for the time being...since the MLB ain't doing shit about it...batters and pitchers need to chill with the tattletale.
 
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People complaining about pitchers using tar should really step back and understand that a lot of batters use tar/grip-enabling substances for their bats, and did so before a lot of pitchers adopted using tar.

Imagine complaining about pitchers having more control of the ball and preventing slippage and whatnot that could be dangerous. Frickin' boomer/old school mentality.

eh i dont really agree about slippage. I think at first there could be slippage but then pitchers would be forced to adjust. Most likely they would have to learn to pitch and not just throw as hard a possible. This would also lead to more action as you would start seeing less 98-100 mph pitches.

not that i think batters need more than Batting glove and pine tar at most. No sprays or glue.

But hey i also dont think batters should be able to wear body armor to take an ab. Enough with it.
 
If it were up to me both pitchers and batters would go back to basics. No batting gloves, no body armor, no tar, and no foreign substances. Bare hands, spit, dirt and have at it.
 
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If it were up to me both pitchers and batters would go back to basics. No batting gloves, no body armor, no tar, and no foreign substances. Bare hands, spit, dirt and have at it.
Agreed. Today's players aren't even man enough to stay in the box between pitches. They'd never go for it. They're males, not men.

New York Mets' Pete Alonso posits that MLB 'manipulates the baseball' based on free-agent class (espn.com)

Since this would affect all players equally this "fact" doesn't really make sense.
 
If it were up to me both pitchers and batters would go back to basics. No batting gloves, no body armor, no tar, and no foreign substances. Bare hands, spit, dirt and have at it.

Don't forget

 
I feel for Harvey. Injuries derailed his career. There was plenty of other stuff, but his arm was fried from 2 major surgeries. Never got the big contract. Rough.

He had a 3 year stretch where he was electric. He hasn’t been a major league level pitcher in a long, long time.
 
I feel for Harvey. Injuries derailed his career. There was plenty of other stuff, but his arm was fried from 2 major surgeries. Never got the big contract. Rough.

He had a 3 year stretch where he was electric. He hasn’t been a major league level pitcher in a long, long time.
Yeah it is kind of sad watching him. Remembering that for a moment, he was a f***ing king ascending his throne. I mean he became a big time douche, but he seems to have become quite humbled over the past few years. I wish he could reinvent himself, but I'm not sure he has the ability to do it.
 
The Minnesota Twins pitching is beyond brutal

They have faced other teams with brutal pitching and got swept lol. They have also beat pitchers like Scherzer, Bieber, etc. There's really no reason they should struggle to score 4+ runs a game especially when they have the 7th best team ERA in baseball. They should win alot of games if they hit
 
Yeah it is kind of sad watching him. Remembering that for a moment, he was a f***ing king ascending his throne. I mean he became a big time douche, but he seems to have become quite humbled over the past few years. I wish he could reinvent himself, but I'm not sure he has the ability to do it.

Yea he’s 100% a dick. But it all really imploded for him. His career earnings are gonna be nothing close to the 100s of millions he was on track for. I never like to see guys fall short due to injuries. It sucks.
 
I feel for Harvey. Injuries derailed his career. There was plenty of other stuff, but his arm was fried from 2 major surgeries. Never got the big contract. Rough.

He had a 3 year stretch where he was electric. He hasn’t been a major league level pitcher in a long, long time.

still made $31 million and had he remained healthy, he likely would have been an arrogant Yankee b/c the Wilpons would never have paid him.
 
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I mean in theory, offense should really start picking it up now that it's warm-to-hot pretty much everywhere. Couple that with the impending crackdown on pitchers and their goop, and I guess we could see offenses that have struggled getting back closer to the levels we expected.
 
They beat up on crappy teams and are exposed by good ones.

This isn't true, though. Their high point of the season was when they swept the White Sox, one of the best teams in baseball, at the tail end of winning 12 out of 15 and 22 out of 30 games, beating some great teams and pitchers along the way. Then they proceeded to lose 9 of their next 13 games.

They have no consistency.
 
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