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OT: MLB Discussion Thread Part III: Jeter announces retirement after 2014

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Texas loading up on offense while pitching is still a concern. They've done this before and hasn't worked out well.
 
darko said:
Texas loading up on offense while pitching is still a concern. They've done this before and hasn't worked out well.
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They gave up the fourth fewest runs in the AL last season. In contrast, they scored only the seventh most runs. Their offense clearly held them back far more than their pitching did last season.
 
I'm more concerned about the Yankees staff this year… almost everyone in the rotation is a question mark to some extent. They also need another quality arm for the back end of the bullpen.
 
Zil said:
Choo doesn't really have question marks. He's just not a well rounded player. He offers an extremely high amount of OBP and a decent amount of pop. He's always had pronounced splits (although his OBP against lefties was still .347, which is well above average) and his mediocre defense makes him best suited for a corner. Plus, he steals about 20 bases a year. I wouldn't have given him $130 million for his age 32 through 37 seasons, but Texas is going for it and their lineup does look pretty daunting now. It's hard to blame them, considering their sub-par offense probably cost them a playoff spot last season.

As for Ellsbury, the only question is if he will he have another freak injury. His disabled list history shouldn't really scare you, unless you expect him to collide with Adrian Beltre at full speed or have Reid Brignac land on his shoulder again. He's a very productive player when healthy, if not a superstar. The contract is questionable, but new research is finding that speed guys actually tend to age better than lumbering sluggers so you may not hate it as much as you think you will.
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we will see with Choo, I just think the more lefties start to realize they can attack him the OBP vs them will go down if he still cant hit them, and he RAKES vs RHP. What if that drops? Anyway I'm ok with it, it would be dumb to sign 2 outfielders to 7 yr deals, and corner OF are easy to find, sign, or acquire
 
Lundsanity30 said:
we will see with Choo, I just think the more lefties start to realize they can attack him the OBP vs them will go down if he still cant hit them, and he RAKES vs RHP. What if that drops? Anyway I'm ok with it, it would be dumb to sign 2 outfielders to 7 yr deals, and corner OF are easy to find, sign, or acquire
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I'm not saying it's a good contract. I'm just saying it's pretty defined what you're getting if you sign him. Texas is clearly making a short-term gamble to try and win a title. They'd already put themselves in a bad future situation by taking the Fielder contract, so it's pretty obvious they decided to go for broke. And unlike Choo, Fielder already looked like he might be starting to decline last year.
 
Zil said:
I'm not saying it's a good contract. I'm just saying it's pretty defined what you're getting if you sign him. Texas is clearly making a short-term gamble to try and win a title. They'd already put themselves in a bad future situation by taking the Fielder contract, so it's pretty obvious they decided to go for broke. And unlike Choo, Fielder already looked like he might be starting to decline last year.
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Yeah, if Texas is going for broke this season, they might as well. I think 7 years for him is kinda loony however. Though I also though and still think the same about Ellsbury.
 
Zil said:
They gave up the fourth fewest runs in the AL last season. In contrast, they scored only the seventh most runs. Their offense clearly held them back far more than their pitching did last season.
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No I'm talking about prior to last season. 05 to 08 they were near the bottom in pitching and 09 to 12 they were middle of the road. Their offense was always good and in top-5 in baseball. Even last season they were just outside of top-5. They lost Cruz and decide to bring in Fielder and Choo. Trading for someone like David Price would've made much more sense even if it costs you Profar. Price too expensive? Fine, instead of eating most of Fielder's salary it would've made more sense to trade for someone like Cliff Lee. Lee is on the block however Phillies want the other team to eat large chunk of the salary. A guy like Lee would make Rangers much more dangerous than a guy like Fielder.

They'll be a good team again but watch them fall short. Again.
 
Vitto79 said:
Hoping Drew falls into the mets laps at ss. 2 yrs
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If the price is right, i'll take it.

Boras is selling him hard to the Mets- I hope Sandy waits it out and can get a good deal. Would not want Drew.

Man, if Harvey was healthy, this year could've been very exciting for the Mets.
 
darko said:
No I'm talking about prior to last season. 05 to 08 they were near the bottom in pitching and 09 to 12 they were middle of the road. Their offense was always good and in top-5 in baseball. Even last season they were just outside of top-5. They lost Cruz and decide to bring in Fielder and Choo. Trading for someone like David Price would've made much more sense even if it costs you Profar. Price too expensive? Fine, instead of eating most of Fielder's salary it would've made more sense to trade for someone like Cliff Lee. Lee is on the block however Phillies want the other team to eat large chunk of the salary. A guy like Lee would make Rangers much more dangerous than a guy like Fielder.

They'll be a good team again but watch them fall short. Again.
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You have to look at the roster turnover they've had. They added Darvish in 2012 and he broke out as an ace this year. Derek Holland has established himself as a solid #2. They have plenty of other arms that combine to give them a quality staff. Yeah, it'd look better with Price or Lee, but so would literally every other rotation in baseball.

Meanwhile, they really suffered after the loss of Hamilton and Napoli after 2012. Their offense last season was basically Adrian Beltre and eight mediocre hitters. Seriously look at this: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...m=13&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=18,d

You can quibble with which bats they decided to add, but they most certainly needed to focus on offense.

Vitto79 said:
Hoping Drew falls into the mets laps at ss. 2 yrs
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I want Drew, but they probably need to go to three years to land him and they don't seem willing to do it.
 
If I'm not mistaken… $20 million is the max post. If a team like Chicago goes to the max, then they would get him based on record over the Yankees, correct? I'm hopeful, but not all that optimistic that they'll land him…
 
Barnaby said:
I gotcha. I misunderstood the new posting rules. In that case, the odds are looking pretty good that he'll land in pinstripes.
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There was an old rumor saying that if multiple teams bid 20M then he would go to the team with the worst record, that never went through though.
 
Dylan Hernandez ‏@dylanohernandez 12m
Rakuten's decision to post Masahiro Tanaka was announced by team president Yozo Tachibana.
 
Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 13s
Source says Rakuten has made the official decision to post Masahiro Tanaka. Now the fun really begins!
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 13s
Source says Rakuten has made the official decision to post Masahiro Tanaka. Now the fun really begins!
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He'll most likely get 100 million + … I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the 120 - 130 range… with the posting fee that makes him a 150 million dollar player (ouch!).
 
So how big of an impact can Tanaka make? Would expecting 12-14 wins be too much in the MLB? Darvish looked like the better pitcher coming out of Japan than Tanaka, despite Tanaka posting better numbers.
 
I Eat Crow said:
So how big of an impact can Tanaka make? Would expecting 12-14 wins be too much in the MLB? Darvish looked like the better pitcher coming out of Japan than Tanaka, despite Tanaka posting better numbers.
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Tanaka only posted better numbers than Darvish if you think pitcher win-loss records have something to do with performance rather than run support.

Darvish's last season in Japan (age24):
1.44 ERA 232.0 Innings 276 Ks 0.828 WHIP

Tanaka last season (age 24):
1.27 ERA 212.0 Innings 183 Ks 0.943 WHIP

I'm still surprised the bidding for Darvish didn't go that much higher than Matsuzaka. Darvish was hyped as an otherworldly pitcher before coming over, and he has backed up that hype. He's one of the five to ten most valuable pitchers in baseball. Nobody's projecting Tanaka to be quite on that level. Not even everyone is sold on him as a frontline starter. Supposedly the Red Sox view him as a number three starter at best.
 
Zil said:
Tanaka only posted better numbers than Darvish if you think pitcher win-loss records have something to do with performance rather than run support.

Darvish's last season in Japan (age24):
1.44 ERA 232.0 Innings 276 Ks 0.828 WHIP

Tanaka last season (age 24):
1.27 ERA 212.0 Innings 183 Ks 0.943 WHIP

I'm still surprised the bidding for Darvish didn't go that much higher than Matsuzaka. Darvish was hyped as an otherworldly pitcher before coming over, and he has backed up that hype. He's one of the five to ten most valuable pitchers in baseball. Nobody's projecting Tanaka to be quite on that level. Not even everyone is sold on him as a frontline starter. Supposedly the Red Sox view him as a number three starter at best.
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Darvish wound up costing over 100 million with the posting fee… and I think some teams were scared off by past mistakes. BoSox with Matsusaka, Yanks with Igawa, etc… That's a lot of money to throw around when there is some risk involved. That's a lot of money for a guy whose never played MLB baseball before. The list of disappointments is as or longer than the successes…
 
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