Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[ToneDog]

Put it this way, if MM had a great playoffs, what is the chances he would be signing an extension before the season?
You are a much better poster than this.


If those four are McD, Drai, Barkov and Mack.

They might.

Yup 4 alpha dogs could do it. Sucks we got no alpha dogs.

 

[Racer88]

I apologize if "just trust me bro" is not a good argument.

I'm open to the idea that games 5-7 are harder to play, I just want to know how much harder.

I believe 3/4 of our players do better in games 5-7, so it seems weird that they are so much tougher but the majority of our core 4 perform better in those games than earlier games.

This begs the question, since games 1-4 are so much easier, why can't those players elevate their game during the early part of a series? It should be fairly easy.

 

[notbias]

Yup 4 alpha dogs could do it. Sucks we got no alpha dogs.

If those four are McD, Drai, Barkov and Mack.

They might.

Barkov is considered a playoff dud... has this changed now?

 

[ToneDog]

Barkov is considered a playoff dud... has this changed now?

By who? B2B SCF and was about to win the Conn Smythe until McDavid took it from him.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yup 4 alpha dogs could do it. Sucks we got no alpha dogs.

Yep, we got 4 Betas and might even be Charlies instead of Alphas

Barkov is considered a playoff dud... has this changed now?

WHEN????

Lets not start fake stuff on other players in order to make our Golden Boys look less horrible.

 

[notbias]

By who? B2B SCF and was about to win the Conn Smythe until McDavid took it from him.

By the hockey community.

You can look into it if you'd like, but his team going to the cup finals didn't erase it.

Yep, we got 4 Betas and might even be Charlies instead of Alphas


WHEN????

Lets not start fake stuff on other players in order to make our Golden Boys look less horrible.

The consensus was that he was not a good playoff performer.

If you want to pretend that never happened (Tkachuk was the same), then you can.

 

[Gabriel426]

By the hockey community.

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You can look into it if you'd like, but his team going to the cup finals didn't erase it.



The consensus was that he was not a good playoff performer.

If you want to pretend that never happened (Tkachuk was the same), then you can.

So a 1C who led his team to back to back SCF while also being the best 200ft Center since Bergy is a dud, while our top guys who had ONE series win in the past 8 years are STUDs.

Stay in your bubble, bro.

 

[notbias]

So a 1C who led his team to back to back SCF while also being the best 200ft Center since Bergy is a dud, while our top guys who had ONE series win in the past 8 years are STUDs.

Stay in your bubble, bro.

His being the best two-way C is debatable, but we can call him that if you want.

Regardless, if you are judging a single person's performance based on series wins, we likely need to start calling Maroon the modern GOAT.

Bobrovsky was the engine on the team the year before.

This year he has played well, but thinking after many years of mediocre play he somehow is considered a playoff stud, it is delusional.

Also, no one mentioned our players... you are inserting them into the convo cause your argument is so weak.

 

[ACC1224]

Put it this way, if MM had a great playoffs, what is the chances he would be signing an extension before the season?
You are a much better poster than this.


If those four are McD, Drai, Barkov and Mack.

They might.

He may still sign an extension.
Not really sure what you’re going on about.

You could just say you made a mistake with the “betting on himself” and be done with it.

 

[Gabriel426]

His being the best two-way C is debatable, but we can call him that if you want.

Regardless, if you are judging a single person's performance based on series wins, we likely need to start calling Maroon the modern GOAT.

Bobrovsky was the engine on the team the year before.

This year he has played well, but thinking after many years of mediocre play he somehow is considered a playoff stud, it is delusional.

Also, no one mentioned our players... you are inserting them into the convo cause your argument is so weak.

Just take the L, bro.

You are the one who started this with Tonedog and me.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better by putting down other players in order for you to find comfort in our top guys being choker. Thats great. Good for you.

He may still sign an extension.
Not really sure what you’re going on about.

OR he might not.

I think it will be fun for him to sign an extension. And then see how people react to his annual choke job every Spring.

One way for MM to avoid choking again, he just needs to learn how to Hawk Tuah, lol.

 

[notbias]

Just take the L, bro.

You are the one who started this with Tonedog and me.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better by putting down other players in order for you to find comfort in our top guys being choker. Thats great. Good for you.

Which other playoffs was Barkov amazing in?

You mentioned him with Mac, McDavid, and Drai as playoff studs.

I'd assume he is consistently amazing, maybe I am misremembering his play and he's been amazing every year.

 

[ACC1224]

Just take the L, bro.

You are the one who started this with Tonedog and me.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better by putting down other players in order for you to find comfort in our top guys being choker. Thats great. Good for you.


OR he might not.

I think it will be fun for him to sign an extension. And then see how people react to his annual choke job every Spring.

One way for MM to avoid choking again, he just needs to learn how to Hawk Tuah, lol.

Ok.
Love the post something incorrect, get called on it so reply a bunch of nonsense as a deflection. Disappointing.

Take the L and move on, stop being so insecure.

 

[notbias]

OR he might not.

I think it will be fun for him to sign an extension. And then see how people react to his annual choke job every Spring.

One way for MM to avoid choking again, he just needs to learn how to Hawk Tuah, lol.

One of these is a stud and one is a choker.

 

[Gabriel426]

Which other playoffs was Barkov amazing in?

You mentioned him with Mac, McDavid, and Drai as playoff studs.

I'd assume he is consistently amazing, maybe I am misremembering his play and he's been amazing every year.

Are they playoffs studs now?

OR is Barkov still a playoff dud at this point of his career?

Like I said, just take the L and move on.

 

[Gabriel426]

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One of these is a stud and one is a choker.

Thanks for pointing out that Barkov is the stud and MM is the choker.
Since you posted Barkov's stats first and MM's stats second, then go on and said One of these is a STUD and one is a CHOKER.

I am so glad you realized that MM is a choker. It might be nice for you to finally see the light instead of living in your own bubble.

Congrats.

 

[ToneDog]

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One of these is a stud and one is a choker.

Its gonna take Mitch another 8 years to pass Barkov in playoff goals. LOL.

Oh yeah, and good luck winning a Selke while Barkov is around.

 

[notbias]

Its gonna take Mitch another 8 years to pass Barkov in playoff goals. LOL.

Oh yeah, and good luck winning a Selke while Barkov is around.

Marner got more votes than him last year...

Barkov is not Bergeron.

He's won 2 times... he's been in the league for 10 years.

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner got more votes than him last year...

Barkov is not Bergeron.

He's won 2 times... he's been in the league for 10 years.

Won’t that just mean Barkov won TWO more Selke than MM.

you are literally agreeing with Tonedog and me.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I agree, but what if we’re 5-1 in the next 6 series’ because we kept our potential hall of fame talent. It can go both ways.

We've already extended both our "potential hall of fame talent". What we're talking about now is getting rid of the overpaid players so we can properly support them.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner at 11.7x8 is a reasonable deal, the team would remain Uber talented and cap challenged, and it will be up to the coach and management to get a better supporting cast and get more out of these guys.

Re signing Mitch does pretty much close the small percentage McDavid fantasy, so these are our horses boys, place your bets.

Marner at 11.7x8 is a terrible deal, which would mean the team remains talent and cap challenged, and unable to get a better supporting cast and get more out of these guys.

Re signing Mitch does pretty much close the small percentage Cup fantasy.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I apologize if "just trust me bro" is not a good argument.

I'm open to the idea that games 5-7 are harder to play, I just want to know how much harder.

I believe 3/4 of our players do better in games 5-7, so it seems weird that they are so much tougher but the majority of our core 4 perform better in those games than earlier games.

This begs the question, since games 1-4 are so much easier, why can't those players elevate their game during the early part of a series? It should be fairly easy.

Actually it begs the question "if that's the only argument you have left, why not just give up?"

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner at 11.7x8 is a terrible deal, which would mean the team remains talent and cap challenged, and unable to get a better supporting cast and get more out of these guys.

Re signing Mitch does pretty much close the small percentage Cup fantasy.

All teams even Cup winners will always either trade or let their players walk due to the Cap as they actually want to build a team to win instead of win with their top players.
It is not a weird and strange concept. It happens.

 

[ZEBROA]

Which other playoffs was Barkov amazing in?

You mentioned him with Mac, McDavid, and Drai as playoff studs.

I'd assume he is consistently amazing, maybe I am misremembering his play and he's been amazing every year.

Im usually not agreeing with you , i think, or i might think about someone else.
But Panther fans has not been happy with Barkov previous playoffs. Regular season yes, but not playoffs. Absolutly not in the Mack McDavid tier. Know to little about Drai overall.

The Barkov vs Marner, i dont know. I lean to Barkov. But Had they switch teams, Marner would be in the final now no doubt about it. And Barkov would not make leafs a playoff team of a sudden.

 

[rumman]

Put it this way, if MM had a great playoffs, what is the chances he would be signing an extension before the season?
You are a much better poster than this.


If those four are McD, Drai, Barkov and Mack.

They might.

Add up their respective salaries, now try and fill out a winning team roster, can’t be done………

 

[Trapper]

Marner got more votes than him last year...

Barkov is not Bergeron.

He's won 2 times... he's been in the league for 10 years.

I think the bottom line is Florida had a core before and didn’t do much. Call it the sum of the parts.

Then Florida changed the core and is getting better results.