Value of: Mitch Marner next contract

[Leafs24Seven*]

If Marner has a good season and does not take a step backwards this season, he and willy both likely get max term @ 7-8mil each.

I sure hope they sign Willy before the season starts, it could be very bad if they wait much longer, he is a stud and if he really is going to play centre soon, we desperately need him. Lock him up Lou!

 

[Leafs24Seven*]

Kadri had 32 goals.. Connor Brown had 20 and played a lot with Kadri.

We have 3 scoring lines.

Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Brown-Kadri-Hyman
Komarov-Moore-Kapanen

That's how I see it.

No way will Babcock sit Martin in the press box, at least to start the season.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I expect he'll be around 65 points next year. That's solid production but not yet elite, so it will be unlikely for him to get paid 7M+ IMO, even with the cap rising.

I think we'll see 8 years $52M for a $6.5M AAV.

 

[BlueBaron]

Gaudreau's 6yr deal bought just one year of UFA. He reportedly wanted an AAV of 7M+ for the full 8 years.

Since Marner is apparently the third or fourth coming, a 70+ point season by him and a 7yr+ deal could easily reach the 9M range.

The McDavid and soon Draisaitl, Eichel, Johansen contracts have changed the landscape. Leafs fans best get on board.

Declaring McDavid's contract has changed the landscape is absurd. He is in his own league as RFA's go. You do not know what the other contracts are going to be. Time will tell and you may be right but at this point you are guessing based off no facts. Nothing quite like using psychic predictions to support your argument.

 

[Lempo]

July 1st, 2018, Nylander can be now though




It's not crazy to think they (Marner, Nylander) get less than $7M, there's precedent - Gaudreau @$6.75, Drouin @$5.5, Monahan @$6.5, Forsberg @$6

Agree that Matthews will be in the $10M range because of McDavid and likely Eichel, but Barkov only got $5.9M and Scheifele $6.125M too so the Eichel/Matthews level could get a long way off of McDavid's $12.5M mark

Barkov is 6 years though and wouldn't go up to 8. Only two UFA years. He got a payday coming at 27 or something like that.

 

[Halla]

2018 Offseason

Matthews 8.5x7
Marner 6.5x7
Nylander 6.5x8

Matthews deal is one of the top 5 highest 2nd contracts in NHL history, the same # Stamkos got as an UFA

Marner/Nylander a bit more than what most of the leagues best players got on contract #2
EX: Kane,Toews,Forsberg,Hall,Kopitar,Schiefele,Tavares etc

 

[Halla]

Gaudreau's 6yr deal bought just one year of UFA. He reportedly wanted an AAV of 7M+ for the full 8 years.

Since Marner is apparently the third or fourth coming, a 70+ point season by him and a 7yr+ deal could easily reach the 9M range.

The McDavid and soon Draisaitl, Eichel, Johansen contracts have changed the landscape. Leafs fans best get on board.

Oh sure. the flames get all their top young guys for 5.75-6.75 (Hamilton,Gaudreau,Monahan) but it will cost the leafs 9+ to do so SMH

The only players in the NHL to get a massive 2nd contract are
Mcdavid,Malkin,Crosby,Ovechkin. Each guy had a 100pt season prior to signing their 2nd deal.

You think Marner is gonna get more than Crosby?

nah, pretty much EVERY good young player comes in at 5.5-6.5
absolute tops would be 7.5 on a max contract like Tarasenko got.
these kids arent stupid enough to ask for so much money the team can't be competitive . pretty sure a 20-21 year old isnt gonna turn down a 8 year, 52-56 million dollar deal

 

[Halla]

Declaring McDavid's contract has changed the landscape is absurd. He is in his own league as RFA's go. You do not know what the other contracts are going to be. Time will tell and you may be right but at this point you are guessing based off no facts. Nothing quite like using psychic predictions to support your argument.

yup. 3 of the 4 players that contracts have "changed the landscape" havent even signed yet. the other was a 100pt 19 year old.

dude needs to find his way out

 

[MagicalRazor]

6.5-7.5 for Marner/Nylander

9-10.5 for Matthews

this

 

[Paulinvancouver]

Marner 6.5
Matthews 8

Spot on. But none of these guesses have any value until they've played another year.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Spot on. But none of these guesses have any value until they've played another year.

I hope you're right!

 

[shortfuze]

i've spent all summer reading how good these kids are...


And you guys think they sign for less that $7 long term?!?!

If matthews scores another 40 there is about a 0 chance of him getting less then $10.

rfa vs. Ufa

 

[Halla]

I've spent all summer reading how good these kids are...


And you guys think they sign for less that $7 long term?!?!

If Matthews scores another 40 there is about a 0 chance of him getting less then $10.

stamkos was a 45 and 51 goal scorer when he got 7.5

to say there is 0 chance the matthews gets less than the 2nd largest contract coming off an ELC in NHL history is beyond silly.

If his agent really wanted to stretch it, Crosby/Malkin/OV would be the comparables but thats still 8.7-9.5 max length.

also who besides mcdavid,tarasenko,crosby,malkin,OV got 7+ on deal 2? thats 5 guys, all of who are either 100pt players or 40+ goal scorers, Marner and Nylander are exciting young players, but 0 chance they top 7. 0. bookmark this

 

[Some Other Flame]

stamkos was a 45 and 51 goal scorer when he got 7.5

to say there is 0 chance the matthews gets less than the 2nd largest contract coming off an ELC in NHL history is beyond silly.

If his agent really wanted to stretch it, Crosby/Malkin/OV would be the comparables but thats still 8.7-9.5 max length.

also who besides mcdavid,tarasenko,crosby,malkin,OV got 7+ on deal 2? thats 5 guys, all of who are either 100pt players or 40+ goal scorers, Marner and Nylander are exciting young players, but 0 chance they top 7. 0. bookmark this

Why are you comparing deals signed when the cap was much lower to the present day?

When the salary cap rises, so do individual salaries. That's how it works. When Stamkos signed for 7.5M the cap was 64.3M. Now it's 75M; an equivalent contract is 8.75M.

When Draisaitl signs for 8 or 9mil per year after a 77 point regular season, you're delusional if you think Matthews or Marner or even Nylander are going to be getting significantly less just because they're Leafs.

 

[Taras]

stamkos was a 45 and 51 goal scorer when he got 7.5

to say there is 0 chance the matthews gets less than the 2nd largest contract coming off an ELC in NHL history is beyond silly.

If his agent really wanted to stretch it, Crosby/Malkin/OV would be the comparables but thats still 8.7-9.5 max length.

also who besides mcdavid,tarasenko,crosby,malkin,OV got 7+ on deal 2? thats 5 guys, all of who are either 100pt players or 40+ goal scorers, Marner and Nylander are exciting young players, but 0 chance they top 7. 0. bookmark this

You guys are not looking at it right.
It's not about the $ value...
It's about the % of the cap...

Ex: if Stamkos got 7.5m of 50m cap ... that is not the same as 7.5m of 75m cap...

 

[Leafsforlife98]

Whatever Draisaitl gets Marners going to get. I'm going to guess if Matthews gets above 9.5, marner signs for 8*8.

There is no way in hell Marner gets what Leon is about to get.

 

[Zorro]

Given their short career, this year will dictate what their 2nd contracts will be.

If they replicate what they did last season:
Matthews: $8M-$9M
Nylander / Marner: $6M-$7M

If they all better themselves by 10 -20 points :
Matthews (80-90 points): $9.5-$10.5M
Nylander / Marner (70-80)points: $7.5M-$8.5M

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

These RFA contracts seem to all over the place.
I guess a better indication will be when a RW like Pasternak signs with Bruins, and at centre the Eichel contract.
Parayko signed for a "modest". 5.5m X 5.
Draistal and his one good year, what does he get. Of course the players and/or teams might want to go to a short route.

Marner. 6.5 X 8
Nylander 7 X 6. I don't think Nylander and Matthews are as committed to the Leaf and Toronto
Matthews 10 X 5

It must be a head scratcher for the young Leafs. Why does 38 year old Marleau who has two consecutive seasons of 46 points get 6.25m for three years.

 

[Sypher04]

There is no way in hell Marner gets what Leon is about to get.

Leon shouldn't even get a lot of the figures people have been throwing around. That said, if Marner builds on his rookie season next year, he probably should be the same range on his next contract (assuming similar term).

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

These RFA contracts seem to all over the place.
I guess a better indication will be when a RW like Pasternak signs with Bruins, and at centre the Eichel contract.
Parayko signed for a "modest". 5.5m X 5.
Draistal and his one good year, what does he get. Of course the players and/or teams might want to go to a short route.

Marner. 6.5 X 8
Nylander 7 X 6. I don't think Nylander and Matthews are as committed to the Leaf and Toronto
Matthews 10 X 5

It must be a head scratcher for the young Leafs. Why does 38 year old Marleau who has two consecutive seasons of 46 points get 6.25m for three years.

The Leafs are not going to give Matthews a deal that doesn't buy UFA years

 

[NHLPA*]

Leafs fans need to sit back and be patient and let their players get another season before knowing their true value.

Its most likely matthews marner and nylander all regress.

Every team now know how they play and how to adjust to contain them. Fact is all 3 overperformed.

Marner will be a 50-60 guy this year with matthews in the 65-75 territory.

My guess is marner falls into 5.75 to 6.25. Nylander will be similar and maybe gete an extra 500k.

Matthews will be 6.75 to 7.75m. He is not worth 10m unless he has a 40g 50a season.

 

[Sypher04]

Leafs fans need to sit back and be patient and let their players get another season before knowing their true value.

Its most likely matthews marner and nylander all regress.

Every team now know how they play and how to adjust to contain them. Fact is all 3 overperformed.

Marner will be a 50-60 guy this year with matthews in the 65-75 territory.

My guess is marner falls into 5.75 to 6.25. Nylander will be similar and maybe gete an extra 500k.

Matthews will be 6.75 to 7.75m. He is not worth 10m unless he has a 40g 50a season.

Thank you for proving you know nothing about these three players. Naturally, we don't know their true values, but you do? There is nothing to suggest any of the 3 overperformed or they are all most likely to regress; quite the opposite in fact. But it was a great try.

 

[NHLPA*]

The Leafs are not going to give Matthews a deal that doesn't buy UFA years

They have no choice. Matthews wants UFA asap he signs an offer sheet. I really do not think he wants to play in Canada more than he is required to.

If a team throws him 9m x 5 years Leafs match.

He will not repeat last years output.

I am betting marner averages a 20/30 guy. Teams now know how to play him. He is an absolute smurf.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Leafs fans need to sit back and be patient and let their players get another season before knowing their true value.

Its most likely matthews marner and nylander all regress.

Every team now know how they play and how to adjust to contain them. Fact is all 3 overperformed.

Marner will be a 50-60 guy this year with matthews in the 65-75 territory.

My guess is marner falls into 5.75 to 6.25. Nylander will be similar and maybe gete an extra 500k.

Matthews will be 6.75 to 7.75m. He is not worth 10m unless he has a 40g 50a season.

None of them will regress, assuming they stay healthy their point production will rise

In the case of Marner and Nylander they only scored 19 and 22 goals so their goal production will go up.

Matthews might drop a couple goals but he only had 69 points last year, that is not his peak.

 

[Sypher04]

If Marner, Matthew and Nylander were all gonna be so easy to shut down, teams would've figured out how to do it during their rookie season. They didn't.