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Leafslet said:
I am over the negotiation, but the fact remains he isnt worth 10.9 & his cap hit is a huge problem for balancing out lineup because of just how inflated it is.
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Agreed, sounds like a Dubas gripe to me.
How inflated do you feel it is?
 
Too many people here in DREAMLAND .. no NHL team is trading their #1D man for any winger on any other team period ever end of story.. maybe a #2/#3 but even then it is iffy and only if that dman prices himself out of that team with his demands .. top dmen get traded for top centres or other top D men
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Too many people here in DREAMLAND .. no NHL team is trading their #1D man for any winger on any other team period ever end of story.. maybe a #2/#3 but even then it is iffy and only if that dman prices himself out of that team with his demands .. top dmen get traded for top centres or other top D men
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Rarely high end players are traded one for one.
 
Matthews4Calder said:
Not even sure which of these teams would even consider the notion of trading their D. I would definitely say you aren't getting Makar. He's not going anywhere. Fox right behind him. Maybe Hedman due to age and Hughes I could see Vancouver letting go. The first 2 aint going anywhere especially Makar.
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I agree, but someone kind of insinuated that one shouldn't trade marner for a defender because marner.

For me he's just another asset, and you shouldn't get too attached to temps.
 
biggest defenseman trade
JT AM da real deal said:
Too many people here in DREAMLAND .. no NHL team is trading their #1D man for any winger on any other team period ever end of story.. maybe a #2/#3 but even then it is iffy and only if that dman prices himself out of that team with his demands .. top dmen get traded for top centres or other top D men
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Pronger got traded for Shanahan
 
Dreakmur said:
There’s also fans who think that we have a good collection of players that don’t necessarily add up to a championship team.
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And there's absolutely nothing to support that. We're one of the best teams in the league, well balanced in all positions, and good in all game states. Regardless, one would think a fan could be a fan, even if they don't personally think they'll win the cup that year. 31 out of 32 teams don't.
Marner brought the venom upon himself by negotiating like a tool.
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Marner didn't even negotiate. His agent did. Years ago. And after turning down multiple offer sheets, he received a contract that can only be considered fair based on his pre-signing period and other post-ELC contracts within the cap era, unless one is intentionally ignoring critical information relevant to contract valuation. And that's before we even get into how Marner was mistreated and suppressed by Babcock and Lou through that pre-signing period. No player deserves the venom that Marner has received, regardless of what you think about his contract.
 
Leafslet said:
I figured people will jump on it, but believe he’s much closer to nylander in value than he is to AM.
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That's probably true. Do you feel Nylander is overpaid as well? Tavares?
 
ACC1224 said:
That's probably true. Do you feel Nylander is overpaid as well? Tavares?
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No nylander isn’t overpaid. I mean, he mightove been slightly based on his production & the market at the time of signing, but certainly not now. I’d suspect he’s more like a 7.5-7.9 player than 7.

JT is overpaid, there’s zero doubt about that, but how else you getting a franchise center in ufa. He likely should be 9.5. I’d still rather have JT at 11 than not have him at all.
 
Leafslet said:
No nylander isn’t overpaid. I mean, he mightove been slightly based on his production & the market at the time of signing, but certainly not now. I’d suspect he’s more like a 7.5-7.9 player than 7.

JT is overpaid, there’s zero doubt about that, but how else you getting a franchise center in ufa. He likely should be 9.5. I’d still rather have JT at 11 than not have him at all.
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So you put Marner at about .5 more than Nylander?
You'd rather not have Marner than to have him at his salary?
 
Dekes For Days said:
And there's absolutely nothing to support that. We're one of the best teams in the league, well balanced in all positions, and good in all game states. Regardless, one would think a fan could be a fan, even if they don't personally think they'll win the cup that year. 31 out of 32 teams don't.
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I’d say the playoff results are enough support.

I’m a fan that wants the team to win. If I think there’s something about the team that will prevent us from winning, I want that to change… so they can win.
 
Leafslet said:
I figured people will jump on it, but believe he’s much closer to nylander in value than he is to AM.
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Considering Nylander is on a great deal and is worth 8+ and Marner is better than Nylander, how much do you really think Marner is worth. How much is a guy who just finished top 5 in points, a top 3 defensive winger and a first-team all-star worth?
 
ACC1224 said:
So you put Marner at about .5 more than Nylander?
You'd rather not have Marner than to have him at his salary?
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I wouldnt rather not have him than have him at 10.9, but with Marner it’s a different scenario. Those aren’t the only two options, for Marner it is have him at that salary or the mystery box you get in return for him. I can’t say whether I’d rather have the mystery box since I don’t know what’s in it. (altho I have always wanted a boat)

Do i put marner only .5 over nylander? Hmm… hard to quantify it. I dont value marner’s offensive production more than .5 over nylanders, I would say that, but I do value a lot of marner’s game above nylander’s. Maybe high 8’s for Marner would be better. 8.8/8.9. But no, I don’t think he should be in the 9s with his deficiencies. namely inability to score, isnt a position of great value, doesn’t do well in big pressure moments, little ability to over-come when leaned on physically, wheras nylander succeeds in all those areas. Yea, no, actually, I’ve re-convinced myself, .5 over nylander’s real worth sounds about right.
 
Dreakmur said:
I’d say the playoff results are enough support.
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No, the miniscule margins by which versions of this team that featured quite a few different pieces lost past playoff series does not support that this current team is incapable of winning the cup.
 
Dekes For Days said:
No, the miniscule margins by which versions of this team that featured quite a few different pieces lost past playoff series does not support that this current team is incapable of winning the cup.
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The current core has failed repeatedly. I think that reflects on the core.

I don’t think exchanging a few bottom 6 players will make a significant difference.
 
Leafslet said:
I wouldnt rather not have him than have him at 10.9, but with Marner it’s a different scenario. Those aren’t the only two options, for Marner it is have him at that salary or the mystery box you get in return for him. I can’t say whether I’d rather have the mystery box since I don’t know what’s in it. (altho I have always wanted a boat)

Do i put marner only .5 over nylander? Hmm… hard to quantify it. I dont value marner’s offensive production more than .5 over nylanders, I would say that, but I do value a lot of marner’s game above nylander’s. Maybe high 8’s for Marner would be better. 8.8/8.9. But no, I don’t think he should be in the 9s with his deficiencies. namely inability to score, isnt a position of great value, doesn’t do well in big pressure moments, little ability to over-come when leaned on physically, wheras nylander succeeds in all those areas. Yea, no, actually, I’ve re-convinced myself, .5 over nylander’s real worth sounds about right.
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You must really hate Dubas.
 
ACC1224 said:
That seems to contradict a lot of what you are saying.
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Most cup winners win the cup with bad contracts. Tampa had bad contracts. Just because I dont think marner is worrh 10.9 doesn’t mean I dislike Dubas as our GM. It doesn’t even mean I think moving Marner is the right move. It may be, or may not, I’m just not sure of that.
 
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