Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[notbias]

Too bad it is 2024 and he is not going up against Grundstrom's in the playoffs. As great a job he did at shutting down Pasta in the playoffs, when it counted Pasta won the series for them. What Pasta did, we have not seen one of the 3 amigos do in the numerous games #7s they have melted in.

A reminder to some that Kucherov (considered one of the best playoff performers) has 0 points in game 7s and the guy who everyone says is a waste of cap space won us a series.

 

[Maple Leaf]

A reminder to some that Kucherov (considered one of the best playoff performers) has 0 points in game 7s and the guy who everyone says is a waste of cap space won us a series.

Well personally I can't defend the leafs playoff performance as they are one of the worst performing playoff teams I have seen

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Sorry, not sure what your point is.

Not sure why Marner's market value is in such fluctuation all the time. The room's structure is pretty much obvious to the management.

 

[Stephen]

If the the goal is to win the SC and I conclude we will never win it with Marner, then hell yes, I'm willing to take one step back to take two forward. Not sure why you are assuming they will fall to Detroit, Buffalo, Ottawa territory without Marner when they still have Matthews and Nylander.

Yeah, the goal is to win a Stanley Cup by getting better personnel, not making mandate changes for the sake of change. We have no idea what this team would look like without Mitch or a replacement.

 

[notbias]

Well personally I can't defend the leafs playoff performance as they are one of the worst performing playoff teams I have seen

I'd say watch more hockey...

No one defends them and says they perform well or that the stars perform well.

I just think how poorly the stars before and how poorly they do in the playoffs is overblown.

 

[ToneDog]

A reminder to some that Kucherov (considered one of the best playoff performers) has 0 points in game 7s and the guy who everyone says is a waste of cap space won us a series.

The difference is Tampa wins game #7s and the Leafs lose them. Lose them and Kutch will hear it. The other difference is Kutch is a Hart candidate year in and year out and is paid $1.5m less than Marner and Marner is looking for a $2-3m raise.

What has Mitch won in the NHL? The Molson Cup?

 

[Stephen]

A reminder to some that Kucherov (considered one of the best playoff performers) has 0 points in game 7s and the guy who everyone says is a waste of cap space won us a series.

Kucherov had 66 playoff points in his back to back cup win seasons in 2020 and 2021 alone, which is more than any of our core players have had in their entire careers.

Looking for the least flattering comparables and nitpicking them doesn't really help whatever point you're trying to make.

 

[ToneDog]

Yeah, the goal is to win a Stanley Cup by getting better personnel, not making mandate changes for the sake of change. We have no idea what this team would look like without Mitch or a replacement.

It is a catch 22, you cannot surround them with the supporting cast they need if you continue to pay the most money to a few. God knows Dubas tried everything and Tre is now paying for it.

 

[notbias]

The difference is Tampa wins game #7s and the Leafs lose them. Lose them and Kutch will hear it. The other difference is Kutch is a Hart candidate year in and year out and is paid $1.5m less than Marner and Marner is looking for a $2-3m raise.

What has Mitch won in the NHL? The Molson Cup?

You are proving my point... the team matters... blaming Marner or saying we can't win with him is pointless when it is a team game.

Kucherov had 66 playoff points in his back to back cup win seasons in 2020 and 2021 alone, which is more than any of our core players have had in their entire careers.

Looking for the least flattering comparables and nitpicking them doesn't really help whatever point you're trying to make.

That poster specifically brought up game 7s.

Looking at a post without context doesn't really help whatever point you're trying to make.

 

[Stephen]

You are proving my point... the team matters... blaming Marner or saying we can't win with him is pointless when it is a team game.

Sure, someone else can carry Marner to a championship, but that doesn't say anything about the value of Marner as an individual cornerstone piece. I think an elite player like Marner would want to be a difference maker and not make excuses about not winning because it's a team game.

 

[ToneDog]

Not sure why Marner's market value is in such fluctuation all the time. The room's structure is pretty much obvious to the management.

The management team that has one playoff win in 10 years under Shanny? Clearly they are doing something wrong IMO.

But alas you are right, the room's structure is pretty much obvious to the management.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

The management team that has one playoff win in 10 years under Shanny? Clearly they are doing something wrong IMO.

But alas you are right, the room's structure is pretty much obvious to the management.

#FireShanahan Leafs Alumni only.

 

[notbias]

Sure, someone else can carry Marner to a championship, but that doesn't say anything about the value of Marner as an individual cornerstone piece. I think an elite player like Marner would want to be a difference maker and not make excuses about not winning because it's a team game.

No one is making excuses, I am questioning how people discuss specific players because it only seems to sometimes apply.

Does someone carry Kucherov to championships?

This is what I am asking... we are discussing game 7s which Kucherov needs help to win.

To me, it is a team game and we need contributions throughout the lineup, but people single out individual players as the biggest problem when it's usually been depth scoring and shaky goaltending in crucial games.