Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

Dekes For Days

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Fair, but any examples from the last half decade or so? Marner was 10 years old when Gomez signed that deal
It's also worth noting the most recent of those, Panarin also was only able to sign for 7 years as a full free agent. Is the 8th year of guaranteed money deal worth nothing?
I don't think you can really limit the time period (especially to one with the abnormal flat cap) when we're talking about such rare players and contract ranges. Using cap hit percentages allows us to compare across bigger time periods. If anything, the current cap environment is much, much closer to the early cap era than it is to the early 2020s. You could argue that the 8th year (if that's the route we go) should knock the price down a bit, but Marner is also much better than Panarin when he signed.

A lot of people still don't seem to get how good Marner is. Since we got back to the normal league in 2021, he's been the 5th best producer at 5v5 (0.05 behind 2nd) and the 6th best producer on the PP (0.06 behind 5th), while facing the toughest matchups and bringing high-end defense and PKing. That's a very rare and valuable player. Quite frankly, the closest players to him that have signed in recent history are Matthews, Mackinnon, and Draisaitl, and they all got 15-16%.
 

francis246

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Same coach that should have scratched holmberg or press boxed reeves and play lily yeah sure we’ll see

Liljegren stinks, all you have to do is go watch SJ games. He hasn’t magically improved with more ice time. He’s still making the same mistakes and turning over the puck a lot.
 

notbias

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Liljegren stinks, all you have to do is go watch SJ games. He hasn’t magically improved with more ice time. He’s still making the same mistakes and turning over the puck a lot.

I was genuinely curious how he was doing since his stats are good...


Stat-wise he is 50% G (2nd for D on the team), and 3.6% rel xGF (4th on the team and driving play better than most teammates)

San Jose fans seem to think he is doing well in a 2nd pairing role (on a terrible team).

Why do you think he is doing bad?

I think Liljegren can figure it out somewhere, so not surprised if he is performing better elsewhere.
 

Jojalu

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You have Eichel ahead of Marner when they have Identical production and Marner has a goal more than Eichel?! lol, if Eichel is good enough to be in the conversation Marner is as well. Their production is literally identical.

I think it comes down to just overall impact on team. I think Reinhart is the favourite you could throw Jesper Bratt in the convo. No Edmonton player is the conversation right now they just haven’t been good enough as a team
Edm is ahead of Col, TB and 2 points behind Fla and Tor.

Should Mack, Rantanen, Reinhart and Kuch all be out of the conversation
 

Darcy Tucker

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Edm is ahead of Col, TB and 2 points behind Fla and Tor.

Should Mack, Rantanen, Reinhart and Kuch all be out of the conversation
Scoring is up and we are arguing about defensive specialists instead of super stars. Marner may have found his niche and made some bucks off it. Good for the guy. Maybe he can grow a beard and be viking. One day we'll be on. Ship. It.
 
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