Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[francis246]

Yup

An unsigned offer-sheet = toilet paper in value.

There was no reason to give Marner a contract worth 4 X 1st as compensation without a SIGNED offersheet that the Leafs could have matched to keep the player if they wanted.

A greenhorn GM got played badly and now 2 wrongs don't make a right that Leafs need to overpay Marner based on his original overpaid contract.

Kucherov finished with 44 goals 100 assists 144 points and makes $9.5 mil AAV even if you adjust for a tax free state Marner at $10.9 mil for a player that never recorded 100 points is already a poor contract. NO need to double down and pay him even more then the best RW in the game today in Kucherov. IMO

** That doesn't even include the fact that Kuch 2 X lead the playoffs in scoring while leading his team to consecutive Stanley Cups.

Kucherov’s contract isn’t relevant anymore. How many years ago was it signed? I completely understand and even agree to a certain extent with you. But the reality is, you can’t compare a contract from 3 years ago to now. Sorry, Marner isn’t going backwards on a deal in his prime. He’s going to ask for a certain cap percentage and that’s going to be way higher than 9.5 simply because the cap has gone up. Players will leap. Now does that mean we should go give Marner everything under the sun? No, but what Kucherov makes is irrelevant at this point.

 

[Stephen]

There was quite a bit of speculation about that.

Ferris: Marner received two offer sheets - TSN.ca

According to Mitch Marner's agent, Darren Ferris, the Maple Leafs winger was presented with two different offer sheets this summer before reaching a six-year, $65.36 million contract with Toronto. Marner confirmed on Monday that he did receive offer sheets, but never seriously considered signing...

www.tsn.ca

I think one of the conditions was unwillingness to give up 4 first rounders.
So max offersheet amount under that speculation would be: $10.6mm.
Offering him $10.9 would therefore eliminate teams that didn't feel he was worth that.

Two firsts, second, third is dramatically different than 4 firsts.

The whole situation still underscores how much of a pushover Dubas was.

Here you have a player who wants to only play for your team, the offer sheets may be real, may be any dollar figure you can imagine, any term you can imagine. But he still manages a healthy overpay without getting a concession from the player to want to be here and take a lower cap hit anyway.

 

[thewave]

The whole situation still underscores how much of a pushover Dubas was.

Here you have a player who wants to only play for your team, the offer sheets may be real, may be any dollar figure you can imagine, any term you can imagine. But he still manages a healthy overpay without getting a concession from the player to want to be here and take a lower cap hit anyway.

I don't want to sound extreme but the equivalent of what Dubas did to the Leafs on a National scale would be, treasonous. If not that gross incompetence.

Nothing made sense then and it certainly doesn't now, never will. Baffling

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I don't want to sound extreme but the equivalent of what Dubas did to the Leafs on a National scale would be, treasonous. If not that gross incompetence.

Nothing made sense then and it certainly doesn't now, never will. Baffling

So far he is doing the same to the Pens....I thought he might have learned a thing or two from his mistakes...but nope...he traded the hottest pending UFA (Guentzel) for ....Bunting? Ya...glad he is gone...

 

[francis246]

So far he is doing the same to the Pens....I thought he might have learned a thing or two from his mistakes...but nope...he traded the hottest pending UFA (Guentzel) for ....Bunting? Ya...glad he is gone...

I’m not a Dubas fan but blaming him for the state of the penguins is crazy. That organization was destroyed before he got there. Ownership will not authorize a rebuild. The contracts signed by Burke/Hextall were atrocious.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I’m not a Dubas fan but blaming him for the state of the penguins is crazy. That organization was destroyed before he got there. Ownership will not authorize a rebuild. The contracts signed by Burke/Hextall were atrocious.

You don't think butchering the bottom 6 that had been pretty good before he got there and signing Jarry to that stupid contract were mistakes? Add in trading for Bunting and signing Graves...trading for Karlsson....he made a mess of the mess they already had.

 

[francis246]

You don't think butchering the bottom 6 that had been pretty good before he got there and signing Jarry to that stupid contract were mistakes? Add in trading for Bunting and signing Graves...trading for Karlsson....he made a mess of the mess they already had.

You’re shitting me right? I watch the pens probably 2nd or 3rd most since I love Crosby. The pens have been an aging core for at least the last 4 years. The problem with the pens isn’t the additions it’s the contracts they cannot get rid of. People shit on the guentzel move but he’s the only guy with Value and without an NMC he could move. Ownership/Crosby does not want Malkin or Letang moved. So I don’t understand how committing another 9mill to Guentzel and having no money to try and spend else where would have helped.

Anyone who’s followed the team knows the team was gutted of first rounders, long before Dubas got there. Ownership has no interest in rebuilding.

The biggest flaw I’ll give Dubas over there in Pittsburgh is committing Jarry. That seems to be a horrible decision.

 

[therealkoho]

Maybe we should trade him huh ? Loool and retool he’s still our best player all jokes aside

You may be kidding, but I've been ready to punt him ever since he said.....

"My goal is to be the highest paid. Player in the league!"

A real team guy

 

[therealkoho]

Yup

An unsigned offer-sheet = toilet paper in value.

There was no reason to give Marner a contract worth 4 X 1st as compensation without a SIGNED offersheet that the Leafs could have matched to keep the player if they wanted.

A greenhorn GM got played badly and now 2 wrongs don't make a right that Leafs need to overpay Marner based on his original overpaid contract.

Kucherov finished with 44 goals 100 assists 144 points and makes $9.5 mil AAV even if you adjust for a tax free state Marner at $10.9 mil for a player that never recorded 100 points is already a poor contract. NO need to double down and pay him even more then the best RW in the game today in Kucherov. IMO

** That doesn't even include the fact that Kuch 2 X lead the playoffs in scoring while leading his team to consecutive Stanley Cups.

Do you really think that Ferris said, well Kyle there's good news and bad news, the bad news is Mitch received not one but two offer sheets! The good news is that Mitch doesn't want to sign either one, you know why Kyle, because he doesn't want you to have 4 1sts or 2 firsts and the rest of it.

You know what though Kyle he'll sign here for 5 x 11m

See how that sounds

 

[arso40]

You may be kidding, but I've been ready to punt him ever since he said.....

"My goal is to be the highest paid. Player in the league!"

A real team guy

Yeah I was definitely kidding we need the guy on his own line it’s the cheat code we’ve been looking for when we signed them all