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Syckle78 said:
I don't follow college football much anymore. Is there a blue chip can't miss level QB coming out this year that the Lions could take #1?
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Malik Willis is an FCS QB at Liberty who has the potential to be a first overallish type QB. Still a lot of season to play and a combine but I think by the end of this season he will be more highly thought of than Trey Lance was last year. Lots of good QBs have come out of FCS but its not as much of the prototypical, big school, big name type of QB going high like Trevor Lawrence last year. Think maybe more like Wilson or Lance last year.

I also think theres a chance Matt Corral ends up going high, I've seen him all over in rankings but Ive watched him play a couple times and he just looks like he can do everything out there. I dont know if he would be worth taking over a Thibodeaux but I could see him being an NFL starter.
 
RabidBadger said:
Whaaaaat? How should UM be ahead of a team that has curb-stomped them the past 2 decades? OSU prison-sexed a team UM barely beat. They took a team with a winning record to the woodshed yesterday while UM squeaked by a team with a losing record.

Don
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Because the rankings are for this season. 6-0 vs 5-1. Michigan "squeaked" by a team sure, OSU outright lost to Oregon though and doesnt have any"big" wins. Oregon is a team that lost to unranked Stanford and had a one score game with Fresno State. Michigan has been losing for like 5 minutes total all season, theyre 6-0, they should be higher. Same with Sparty for that matter, being ranked behind 4-1 Oregon is a joke.

The rankings are dumb til the end of the season, and these teams all have to play each other anyways so at the end of that is all that matters. But the rankings are dumb right now
 
newfy said:
Because the rankings are for this season. 6-0 vs 5-1. Michigan "squeaked" by a team sure, OSU outright lost to Oregon though and doesnt have any"big" wins. Oregon is a team that lost to unranked Stanford and had a one score game with Fresno State. Michigan has been losing for like 5 minutes total all season, theyre 6-0, they should be higher. Same with Sparty for that matter, being ranked behind 4-1 Oregon is a joke.

The rankings are dumb til the end of the season, and these teams all have to play each other anyways so at the end of that is all that matters. But the rankings are dumb right now
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I'm aware the rankings are for this season, hence my Maryland and Rutgers references. Sorry, but not being behind against unranked opponents does not vault you in the rankings. Being unbeaten doesn't necessarily, either. By that logic Coastal Carolina should be ranked ahead of Penn State and OSU.

Honest question, if UM played OSU next weekend with UM favored (as you seem to think they should be), would you be comfortable dropping a $500.00 bet on UM? I would with OSU.
 
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In other news, college hockey is back...lots of sweeps this weekend, Tech taking down the Badgers in Madison was something I wouldn't have expected.
 
newfy said:
Because the rankings are for this season. 6-0 vs 5-1. Michigan "squeaked" by a team sure, OSU outright lost to Oregon though and doesnt have any"big" wins. Oregon is a team that lost to unranked Stanford and had a one score game with Fresno State. Michigan has been losing for like 5 minutes total all season, theyre 6-0, they should be higher. Same with Sparty for that matter, being ranked behind 4-1 Oregon is a joke.

The rankings are dumb til the end of the season, and these teams all have to play each other anyways so at the end of that is all that matters. But the rankings are dumb right now
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The disconnect is over the true identity of college football rankings.

You're assuming that they are intended to reflect who the best / most talented team is at the moment.
In reality, they are a small portion record, a small portion schedule, and a large portion television ratings. (Just like the bowl invitations.)
 
guinness said:
In other news, college hockey is back...lots of sweeps this weekend, Tech taking down the Badgers in Madison was something I wouldn't have expected.
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*sigh* That makes one of us, amigo. Tech barely missed the tournament last year and would have repped better than UW's talented house of cards. Granato has brought in good talent but hasn't really been able to build a team.

Shawhan has done the opposite after Pearson's exit. I give full credit to him stepping into a difficult transition and keeping Tech respectable.

Don't you miss the old WCHA when we were conference rivals?
 
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Bench said:
I know I do. I grew up on that college conference more than pro hockey.
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The Cats are etched into WCHA lore with what was the wildest (no pun) finals victory ever.

Aside from that, it was just great watching all the future NHL talent come through the ranks. I love the Wings, but the NHL is largely a vehicle for me to keep tabs on former NCAA and, somewhat, CHL players who've moved up.
 
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Lions lose another in the most Lions way possible. Going for 2 and taking the lead was a great call. Being a Lions fan I knew not to celebrate because the Lions are a bewitched team. Brings back memories of that game they lost against the Vikings because they failed to execute the extra point during the final play of the game.

Luckily the bar experience today was fantastic. Guy sits down next to me and strikes up a conversation because of my Lions hat. Turns out he was a Detroit native, played high school football against Jerome Bettis and Michael Westbrook, dabbled in semi-pro football and hockey in Canada, ended up joining the Detroit PD and was able to retire. Asked him what brought him to Phoenix. Turns out his wife works for ESPN and covers WNBA. She ended up coming into the bar later with one of her producers. A few Mercury fans at the bar recognized her and stopped by to chat. Not my typical Sunday (aside from watching the Lions lose).
 
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Bondurant said:
Brings back memories of that game they lost against the Vikings because they failed to execute the extra point during the final play of the game.
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I was at that game, and I'll never forget it. For three and a half quarters I refused to believe they had a shot (because they're the Lions). Then they executed one more drive to get within a point, and I finally thought, "Hey, they're going to tie this game up and find a way to complete this amazing comeback for a win! This is awesome!"

Only to watch them botch the snap on the extra point and lose anyway (because they're the Lions).

That was the day I began reallocating my Sunday afternoons.
 
RabidBadger said:
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*sigh* That makes one of us, amigo. Tech barely missed the tournament last year and would have repped better than UW's talented house of cards. Granato has brought in good talent but hasn't really been able to build a team.

Shawhan has done the opposite after Pearson's exit. I give full credit to him stepping into a difficult transition and keeping Tech respectable.

Don't you miss the old WCHA when we were conference rivals?
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I hate Big Ten hockey. I get it money and Penn State coming on board, but I felt that hockey was completely different, the rivalries there weren't built the same as the football programs. Even when I went to Tech, during the Tim Waters days, even when NoDak, Minny, Wisconsin, Duluth was kicking the team around, so much history between the programs.

Would be interesting I suppose if Illinois or Indiana ever added programs, hockey is so stupid expensive.

I don't mind the makeup of the new CCHA, makes sense from a geography standpoint, and no love lost between the Yooper schools.

I'm going to miss the GLI as well. Although not upset like some after Mel left...a) the program was completely moribund before he came back and b) for how much I like Houghton/Hancock, let's be real - Ann Arbor is nicer.
 
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RabidBadger said:
I'm aware the rankings are for this season, hence my Maryland and Rutgers references. Sorry, but not being behind against unranked opponents does not vault you in the rankings. Being unbeaten doesn't necessarily, either. By that logic Coastal Carolina should be ranked ahead of Penn State and OSU.

Honest question, if UM played OSU next weekend with UM favored (as you seem to think they should be), would you be comfortable dropping a $500.00 bet on UM? I would with OSU.
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I disagree that thats how the rankings should work though, it wasnt clear what you thought the rankings were about when you brought up the last 20 years in the conversation. Bringing up coastal Carolina is also not a fair comparison. I think everyone can agree being undefeated in the big ten vs the sun belt makes a difference. Despite thatdifference in strength of schedule, Coastal Carolina isnt very far behind in the rankings though.

Right now, with an easier schedule OSU is ranked higher with a loss on their record. If youre fine with rankings like that then so be it but you can only play he games ahead of you. I think right now the game would be a coin flip, wouldnt want to bet 500 bucks on it given history but that history is irrelevant. Let Ohio State win that game and they can jump in the rankings, thats how it should work.

I have a feeling if we werent talking Michigan vs Ohio State and it was 2 random teams you wouldnt feel the same way. Undefeated team who hasnt had a lead for like 5 mins half way through the year with a harder schedule vs a team with a loss and an easier schedule.... which team should be ahead in the rankings?

jkutswings said:
The disconnect is over the true identity of college football rankings.

You're assuming that they are intended to reflect who the best / most talented team is at the moment.
In reality, they are a small portion record, a small portion schedule, and a large portion television ratings. (Just like the bowl invitations.)
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Completely agree with this.

Bondurant said:
Lions lose another in the most Lions way possible. Going for 2 and taking the lead was a great call. Being a Lions fan I knew not to celebrate because the Lions are a bewitched team. Brings back memories of that game they lost against the Vikings because they failed to execute the extra point during the final play of the game.
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Lol only team in history to lose 2 games on last minute 50+ yard field goals and we're 5 games in. It is the most Lions record ever. Either way, another competitive game that they lose last minuteand doesnt hurt their draft stock. I would hate if they won that one game and its the tie breaker Minnesota gets to pick 1st overall over the Lions.

A very Pistons-esque tank right now.
 
newfy said:
I disagree that thats how the rankings should work though, it wasnt clear what you thought the rankings were about when you brought up the last 20 years in the conversation. Bringing up coastal Carolina is also not a fair comparison. I think everyone can agree being undefeated in the big ten vs the sun belt makes a difference. Despite thatdifference in strength of schedule, Coastal Carolina isnt very far behind in the rankings though.

Right now, with an easier schedule OSU is ranked higher with a loss on their record. If youre fine with rankings like that then so be it but you can only play he games ahead of you. I think right now the game would be a coin flip, wouldnt want to bet 500 bucks on it given history but that history is irrelevant. Let Ohio State win that game and they can jump in the rankings, thats how it should work.

I have a feeling if we werent talking Michigan vs Ohio State and it was 2 random teams you wouldnt feel the same way. Undefeated team who hasnt had a lead for like 5 mins half way through the year with a harder schedule vs a team with a loss and an easier schedule.... which team should be ahead in the rankings?



Completely agree with this.



Lol only team in history to lose 2 games on last minute 50+ yard field goals and we're 5 games in. It is the most Lions record ever. Either way, another competitive game that they lose last minuteand doesnt hurt their draft stock. I would hate if they won that one game and its the tie breaker Minnesota gets to pick 1st overall over the Lions.

A very Pistons-esque tank right now.
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Jacksonville is the one to worry about…as of now they’re #1
 
Bondurant said:
Different needs. Might be better to have Jags pick first and save on salary.
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Assuming there's a QB worth taking at 2, that makes complete sense.

But if there's no signal caller they want, and a clear #1 pass rusher or other key position that the Jags also need...
 
newfy said:
I have a feeling if we werent talking Michigan vs Ohio State and it was 2 random teams you wouldnt feel the same way. Undefeated team who hasnt had a lead for like 5 mins half way through the year with a harder schedule vs a team with a loss and an easier schedule.... which team should be ahead in the rankings?
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Not at all. I hate both teams nearly equally. We may as well be discussing two random teams. As mentioned, I hate tOSU a bit more so I'm not sure why you would insinuate I'm making a biased decision. I can see OSU is finding their footing after a loss and UM is....struggling against Nebraska.
 
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As a Michigan and Pistons fan was happy to pick up a few of these today…Cunningham came Friday

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