OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[The Zetterberg Era]

Thinking OSU was gonna win is fine. Thinking it was gonna be a complete domination,was going to be a similar game to the MSU one, calling Harbaugh big game Jim, saying Michigan has a "couple nice edge" pieces instead of admitting they have the best edge pieces in the country and the best defender in college football right now etc etc. is when youll get called out on it, especially when after the fact you throw a bitter post in the mix. You hate Michigan, you made several posts that werent all that good because of it and now youre getting called on it.

Crow tastes bitter but sometimes you eat it, it happens

As a Lions fan I want the edge rusher from Oregon over Hutchinson. Aiden is a great player for sure, just like his father.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Strange? Seems your hatred for Michigan kind of concocted a narrative behind my "ssshhhh" comment. It was nothing more than a "please don't jinx this" sentiment I am as aware as anyone on earth of Harbaugh's resume as coach.


As for hatred towards Michigan, it really only comes from two places:

1. You went to a rival school, and therefor Michigan is your rival. Or you attached yourself to a rival school (i.e. 98% of Ohioans).

2. Michigan is the top dog in the state. If you aren't with the top dog, you likely hate the top dog. Naturally. If a school other than Michigan were historically the top dog in the state, they would garner the hate. I've heard numerous stories over the years about how someone was mistreated by a Michigan fan. Or Michigan fans are "so arrogant." Or... blah, blah, blah, some other whining. And so, "I hate Michigan." Nah. That shit is weak. Every good program has fans that other fans can't stand. And the fans who mistreated you were probably Walmart Wolverines anyway. No one hates non-alum Michigan fans, who don't represent the school well, more than Michigan alumni. It's why we look down on Ohio State so much.... they are like if trashy Walmart Wolverines had gone in the opposite direction and went and attended OSU after getting their rejection letter from Ann Arbor

Or of course a combo of the two.

Anyway, hate on Michigan until your heart is content, but know this: Michigan alumni couldn't care less about people [who didn't at least attend a rival university] hating on Michigan. It's just white noise. At best, it's weird to us to see people invested so much in something they have no actual investment in

I mean, I agree... BUT, Michigan students are arrogant. Like Ann Arbor residents can be very snooty. I definitely see your point that it is the Walmart Wolverines who didn't go to the school that thump their chests the loudest when we are good and bitch the most when we are bad. Michigan has earned a bit of the right to be aware of how good they are (meaning the students, university, and team as a whole), but a lot of the "Michigan arrogant" and "Michigan assholes" comes from in relation to football is every single September Heisman we've ever had. That Joe Milton coming through was Cam Newton 2.0 and not a black Jeff George (all gas, no brakes, no accuracy) or Sexy Rexy (Rex Grossman of Florida and Chicago Bears fame, aka "f*** it, I'm goin' deep"). Tate Forcier or Devin Gardner or anyone like that. Then, they'd follow it up and in previous years, they'd never win that game against OSU. They'd come in pants on fire and they'd get their shit pushed in. Or they'd make it to the bowl game against USC and get their shit pushed in.

Michigan has had to take a lot of lumps because they got the blue-blood, perennial playoff contender treatment when every year they came up short. Hell, one of the OSU games, guys actually came out and said "We got up 14-0 and we kinda took our foot off the gas". That's why this game was so impressive. They put foot on neck, flubbed the INT to give OSU life, and then just proceeded to punch their gut, kick them down, and put the boot down with more authority than before.

 

[Hen Kolland]

As a Lions fan I want the edge rusher from Oregon over Hutchinson. Aiden is a great player for sure, just like his father.

You know what you get from Hutchinson. He's a very finished product. Versatile for an edge. Heart and soul leader of his defense. Checks all the boxes. Athletically, statistically, mentally.

Kayvon Thibodeaux is an upside play. If he continues to get better, he has true game wrecker potential.

I don't think you can go wrong with either of them, personally, but I'd wager a small amount of money that the Lions lean Hutchinson because of the competitive makeup and overall confidence level in what he is.

 

[newfy]

You know what you get from Hutchinson. He's a very finished product. Versatile for an edge. Heart and soul leader of his defense. Checks all the boxes. Athletically, statistically, mentally.

Kayvon Thibodeaux is an upside play. If he continues to get better, he has true game wrecker potential.

I don't think you can go wrong with either of them, personally, but I'd wager a small amount of money that the Lions lean Hutchinson because of the competitive makeup and overall confidence level in what he is.

And by all accounts, Hutchinson is an athletic freak. Hes going to likely put up similar, if not better numbers at the combine as Thibodeaux and thats going to make the conversation even more interesting. I also think KT has more injury concerns than Hutchinson.

I would be happy with the lions drafting either, but Hutchinson being local (school and hometown), so strong aginst the run and his motor to go with the talent would make him hard to pass up at number one

 

[Hen Kolland]

And by all accounts, Hutchinson is an athletic freak. Hes going to likely put up similar, if not better numbers at the combine as Thibodeaux and thats going to make the conversation even more interesting. I also think KT has more injury concerns than Hutchinson.

I would be happy with the lions drafting either, but Hutchinson being local (school and hometown), so strong aginst the run and his motor to go with the talent would make him hard to pass up at number one

People will question Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes, but the one thing that they have said the entire time was they wanted football players. People with passion and a love for the game. The fire that Hutchinson plays with embodies everything that our decision makers are about at their core. And that certainly includes Spielman as well.

 

[Winger98]

One of the first proposals the league gave the MLBPA for the new contract reportedly contained a $100m salary floor, and luxury tax on payroll over $180m. As a long-suffering Guardians fan, I'm in favor of a salary floor because it might just encourage the cheapskate Dolans to get out of the business of owning a team they can't afford to spend money on.

Frustrating thing is that there are probably just enough big market teams that like having the small markets as feeder systems for them and enough small markets that like fielding the bare minimum and collecting their revenue sharing checks that a floor/cap system is probably DOA.

Baez certainly leaves a wider birth for Kreidler than most of the other potential signings, which is interesting. Kreidler is enticing based on this previous season, but he's no spring chicken in terms of prospect status. He's older. So odds are he's nothing more than a utility guy. But if he does wind up being more than that, it might be more interesting to see Baez move to the keystone, where he has lots of experience and where his defense plays better than at 3rd. Leave Candelario at the hot corner for a couple years, by which time perhaps one of our several 3B prospects may have arrived.

For some reason I thought you were higher on Kreidler. He's felt like a Don Kelly guy to me, which isn't the worst thing. Don't the Tigers have a younger Central American SS prospect? I keep thinking they got an 18/19 year old last year that people really liked but a name escapes me right now.

If nothing else, an infield of Candelario/Baez/Schoop/Tork will put some nice bats in the lineup this summer.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Tork will put some nice bats in the lineup this summer.

Not too optimistic we are in the minority of franchises that won't abuse the service time loophole

 

[jaster]

I mean, I agree... BUT, Michigan students are arrogant. Like Ann Arbor residents can be very snooty. I definitely see your point that it is the Walmart Wolverines who didn't go to the school that thump their chests the loudest when we are good and bitch the most when we are bad. Michigan has earned a bit of the right to be aware of how good they are (meaning the students, university, and team as a whole), but a lot of the "Michigan arrogant" and "Michigan assholes" comes from in relation to football is every single September Heisman we've ever had. That Joe Milton coming through was Cam Newton 2.0 and not a black Jeff George (all gas, no brakes, no accuracy) or Sexy Rexy (Rex Grossman of Florida and Chicago Bears fame, aka "f*** it, I'm goin' deep"). Tate Forcier or Devin Gardner or anyone like that. Then, they'd follow it up and in previous years, they'd never win that game against OSU. They'd come in pants on fire and they'd get their shit pushed in. Or they'd make it to the bowl game against USC and get their shit pushed in.

Michigan has had to take a lot of lumps because they got the blue-blood, perennial playoff contender treatment when every year they came up short. Hell, one of the OSU games, guys actually came out and said "We got up 14-0 and we kinda took our foot off the gas". That's why this game was so impressive. They put foot on neck, flubbed the INT to give OSU life, and then just proceeded to punch their gut, kick them down, and put the boot down with more authority than before.

I hear ya.

There's a large contingent of students at Michigan from New York, and the east coast in general. And they are seemingly all in frats and sororities. When I was there, they were a largely insufferable lot, even for frat boys and sorority girls lol. Arrogance was certainly one of their traits. I blame the arrogance issue mostly on them

For the most part though, I just didn't witness a ton of arrogance from the inside. Probably largely has to do with who you surround yourself with, and I certainly didn't know all 22,000 undergrads, but while my circles of friends and acquaintances could be loud as fans, they were otherwise pretty humble people, collectively. Most of the gripes about Michigan fans I've heard over the years I just consistently identify in fans who didn't go to school there, as opposed to the hundreds I knew as a student. I've met more than one person in my life who knew I went to Michigan and who, after some time, eventually told me something along the lines of, "man, I thought you were going to be an arrogant asshole when I met you," because of the Michigan factor. And I have to be like, "one, this is why you don't stereotype, and two, I'm only that way on message boards."

 

[jaster]

For some reason I thought you were higher on Kreidler. He's felt like a Don Kelly guy to me, which isn't the worst thing.

I was probably more excited about Kreidler some months ago, during the season, when the hype train started rolling lol. And I'm still fairly high on him, I think he has a chance to be a player, but my excitement has mellowed a bit.

Don't the Tigers have a younger Central American SS prospect? I keep thinking they got an 18/19 year old last year that people really liked but a name escapes me right now.

If nothing else, an infield of Candelario/Baez/Schoop/Tork will put some nice bats in the lineup this summer.

Cristian Santana. There's certainly upside there, but he's only 18 and many years away. Similar to Roberto Campos, the OF. Hopefully we have a couple players there, but it's too soon to tell.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

the Baez contract has a player opt out after 2 years too, so even if he is doing well he's gonna opt out after that

And that's how the Tigers look like they are making big moves while not making big moves.

Get ready to lose Mize, Torkelson, etc as soon as they want big contracts.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

And that's how the Tigers look like they are making big moves while not making big moves.

Get ready to lose Mize, Torkelson, etc as soon as they want big contracts.

I think this is needlessly antagonistic about it. There hasn't been anything out of Chris Ilitch or Avila to point towards this at all. The Tigers in 2014 (the start of all this) were a mishmash of god awful long term deals that needed to be taken apart in a painful way because they were expensive and going to be expensive for a LONG time with continually declining value pieces. They had no pieces that were remotely close to being worth dropping a load of money on. Same with the Wings... they entered into the post Dats and Z era where it didn't make any sense to drop major coin on anyone. They were 100% willing to go big dollars on Stamkos if he would have listened, talk to Tavares if he would have listened... but they were also at a point where huge outlays of cash didn't make any sense.

I admit, I wanted Correa pretty badly, but I'm coming around on Baez. Break down the stats and you'll see Baez has generally stayed healthier than Correa, his offense and defensive contributions are actually quite close. Correa is undoubtedly better... but he's not over 2x the money better.

 

[DetroitRed]

It's harder to remain good at shortstop than it is at like first base. Plus Baez is maybe a .270 hitter now. So I'm not really sure about the shelf life. Maybe the next six years will be safe, but as a GM, I'm not sure it's the hill I want to die on.

 

[chances14]

the mood surrounding the baseball lockout that is coming reminds me strongly of the 2004 NHL lockout. Wouldn't surprise me to see next season wiped out. Right when the tigers are actually on the upswing

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Yep. Sounds like that baseball is gonna shutdown.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

So Baez might end up having a 5/117 deal then. If they dig their heels in. If I remember, the lockout just chomps a contract year on existing deals.

 

[BSHH]

And that's how the Tigers look like they are making big moves while not making big moves.

Get ready to lose Mize, Torkelson, etc as soon as they want big contracts.

Player opt-outs are quite common nowadays. Scherzer has one in his new deal with the Mets - do you really think Cohen is hesitant to pay big bucks?

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[newfy]

So Baez might end up having a 5/117 deal then. If they dig their heels in. If I remember, the lockout just chomps a contract year on existing deals.

With his player out, the Tigers might only have him for one season lol

 

[CalumetHockeyTown]

Looks like a much better team heading into a lockout!

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I will never for the life of me understand these lockouts. The PA and owners have to realize they're playing with fire. Even with labor peace, baseball's ratings are dying. There isn't going to be a HR chase to save the league this time, either. Because that 73 HR season that Barry Bonds had is incredibly sus. It's not the mythological 61 HR that Roger Maris had.

 

[jaster]

I haven't looked into what is realistic here.... what is the % chance the entire 2022 MLB season is canceled? What's the chance just part of it is?

These owners are really playing with fire. I think lockouts in this day and age are probably more damaging than 20 or 30 years ago.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I haven't looked into what is realistic here.... what is the % chance the entire 2022 MLB season is canceled? What's the chance just part of it is?

These owners are really playing with fire. I think lockouts in this day and age are probably more damaging than 20 or 30 years ago.

John Morosi was on the radio this morning he said he doesn’t believe the season at risk right now. Maybe some spring training setbacks.

Honestly, Manfred better understand that his sport can’t afford a work stoppage lost season.

 

[Bondurant]

At the Suns/Pistons game. Pistons are terrible shooting and defending (at least tonight thus far). Parlayed the Pistons moneyline & under. Modest $20 bet.

 

[FabricDetails]

At the Suns/Pistons game. Pistons are terrible shooting and defending (at least tonight thus far). Parlayed the Pistons moneyline & under. Modest $20 bet.

But how's the alcohol?

 

[jkutswings]

Honestly, Manfred better understand that his sport can’t afford a work stoppage lost season.

I think the onset of the pandemic gave baseball a false sense of security because there were zero other options, and people anticipated the return of the game for an outlet of some degree of normalcy.

But now? Another lockout for a sport already fading away without drawing any new fans? Sayonara.

 

[Bondurant]

But how's the alcohol?

Zero point zero tonight. Footprint has a putrid beer selection. Tied with T-Mobile for the worst I have seen. Kilt Lifter is the best option but I can pick up a sixer at Fry's across the street for the same price. Left after the 2nd. Parlay was in pieces and the Suns arena experience is lacking. Non-stop rap beats and canned noise over the game. I want to hear the sounds of the game. No rush to return.