OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

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I think both MSU and UM had easy schedules this year and could take a step backwards next season. But I'm completely fine with what Tucker has done thus far, his new contract, and where I believe he will take the program.

If Harbaugh permanently fails to utilize every asset at his disposal in the modern market (transfer portal, NIL, etc.) then I'd be surprised if he ever gets beyond regularly being a 9-3 to 10-2 kinda team.

Right now it's Ohio State's world, and the rest of the B1G is living in it. But over the next few years, I see MSU as more likely to legitimately challenge as things continue to get built up.

Yes, that is a possibility. But, I just don't like the deal because like I said, it's putting the cart before the guy in front of you's horse, not just in front of your own. I'm more concerned about what it does to those teams in the Michigan State stratosphere of college football who aren't backed by Rocket Mortgage and a billionaire mortgage CEO.

I say this as an Eastern Michigan fan/alum first, Michigan fan second. I'm terrified of when some G5 or low rung P5 school grabs Chris Creighton from us by offering him 4-5 million a year, which would be mediocre P5 coach money. EMU shits bricks about paying him 560k, let alone a tenfold raise.
 

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Yes, that is a possibility. But, I just don't like the deal because like I said, it's putting the cart before the guy in front of you's horse, not just in front of your own. I'm more concerned about what it does to those teams in the Michigan State stratosphere of college football who aren't backed by Rocket Mortgage and a billionaire mortgage CEO.

I say this as an Eastern Michigan fan/alum first, Michigan fan second. I'm terrified of when some G5 or low rung P5 school grabs Chris Creighton from us by offering him 4-5 million a year, which would be mediocre P5 coach money. EMU shits bricks about paying him 560k, let alone a tenfold raise.
also emu alum and their program will be bad when creighton leaves. winning 6-7 games a year for the past 5 years at eastern is a fabulous job by him. he could easily get a purdue/indiana type job or maybe a duke/bc job (?) but he hasn't spent time coaching and recruiting out that way. either way i'm convinced he is getting a power 5 job at some point real soon and with that there goes eastern's football program
 

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also emu alum and their program will be bad when creighton leaves. winning 6-7 games a year for the past 5 years at eastern is a fabulous job by him. he could easily get a purdue/indiana type job or maybe a duke/bc job (?) but he hasn't spent time coaching and recruiting out that way. either way i'm convinced he is getting a power 5 job at some point real soon and with that there goes eastern's football program

Seriously. He has four of the best years in the history of the program and in six years has DOUBLED the amount of bowls we have made. Just hoping 2021 can be bowl win #2 in our history.
 

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Seriously. He has four of the best years in the history of the program and in six years has DOUBLED the amount of bowls we have made. Just hoping 2021 can be bowl win #2 in our history.
not to deep dive on eastern michigan football but he is the first coach since harkema to be successful over a multiple year period. i know it doesn't work like this but creighton's first 2 years they went 3-21 and since then has had 6+ wins a season all but two years one of those being a covid year and this year he has a real shot to get 8-9 wins.

i only bring up the first 2 seasons record because english was so bad that i'm sure the talent creighton inherited was bad and since he started to get guys into his program he has shown an ability to win football games pretty consistently, it will be a sad day when creighton leaves.
 
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An old favorite. LANGUAGE WARNING

Ron English lighting up the Eagles. This tirade cost him his job. Him winning like two games in three years also cost him his job.



What's a little crazy is that if you remove the vulgar rhetoric and the belittling of his players, he actually has a point. What he was trying to get at, I'm sure, was that the Eagles in his tenure were all sniping at one another because they were god awful. So they'd bitch about the defense f***ing up while the offense couldn't score or what not. Blaming everyone else. The idea was take personal responsibility and work on what you can work on. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's okay to lose because you're less talented or the refs made calls against you.

I mean, he absolutely deserved to be fired for it. But I think the underlying thought process of do your job, keep your house clean, and work together is what makes successful teams successful. He was just a shitbird salesman of that point.

E: Also, you shouldn't say that you don't give a f*** about any of your players. That doesn't seem like it will endear you to them, lol.
 
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The Zetterberg Era

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I take it everyone is ready for the "Super Bowl" on Thursday?

The Lions Super Bowl is the draft in April. This is their second biggest event and because I have to get shit on all pregame long about why the originators of the Thanksgiving game get to play in it I find this to be getting more annoying by the year.:laugh:

Like put somebody else on National tv, we will still play on Thanksgiving it is our thing.
 
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The Zetterberg Era

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Yeahp. Hence, "Super Bowl".

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Turkey day is usually the only chance I get to watch the Lions at home, and I'm trying really hard to find entertainment from this, but both teams are so inept.

If the NFL had regulation, both of these teams would surely be near the bottom of the table.
 

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Surprise, surprise. Refs decide to call a penalty for calling back-to-back timeouts despite it being customary to ignore the second call for a timeout. Like the play clock against Baltimore it is a "subjective" rule so the refs can engineer the result the NFL wants.
 

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One of the upsides of moving far away from Michigan is that I've escaped that unhealthy and abusive relationship that is Detroit Lions fandom.
 
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Surprise, surprise. Refs decide to call a penalty for calling back-to-back timeouts despite it being customary to ignore the second call for a timeout. Like the play clock against Baltimore it is a "subjective" rule so the refs can engineer the result the NFL wants.
There has been a lot of bad luck in this Lions season: Mounting injuries, some bad bounces, near misses and much more bad calls - plus surprisingly good plays from the respective opponents. However, I get the impression that the coaching becomes less helpful for the Lions from game to game.

The Lions were right to fire Quinn and Patricia. It is okay to finish at the bottom of the league this season. But is it just me or has any potential progress stalled?

Gruß,
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There has been a lot of bad luck in this Lions season: Mounting injuries, some bad bounces, near misses and much more bad calls - plus surprisingly good plays from the respective opponents. However, I get the impression that the coaching becomes less helpful for the Lions from game to game.

The Lions were right to fire Quinn and Patricia. It is okay to finish at the bottom of the league this season. But is it just me or has any potential progress stalled?

Gruß,
BSHH

What little I've seen of Campbell et al has not impressed me. He sucks, I knew Patricia sucked with that first game against the Jets, so both will run past their expiration date.

'member when Caldwell wasn't it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

They targeted Hockinson 3 times the entire game...3 receptions, 1 TD. They dinked and dunked with screen passes much of the 2nd quarter that I watched, and running up the middle on 3-32 should get them fired into the Sun, or at least out of a cannon. When they did get something going, they shot themselves in the foot with terrible game management.

And the players kept taking stupid penalties, which lead to being in the hole with something like that 3-32, but both the players and coaches should've worked out those fundamentals in practice.

The team will languish forever, as long as they're owned by the Fords. The rest is either window dressing or rearraigning deck chairs on the Titanic. Even the Ilitches know when they're over their head, and got hockey/baseball people.

I don't even like football that much, I only follow more or less, because them being the local NFL team growing up...but it's becoming no longer comically funny. It's just sad.
 
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What little I've seen of Campbell et al has not impressed me. He sucks, I knew Patricia sucked with that first game against the Jets, so both will run past their expiration date.

'member when Caldwell wasn't it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

This really is the crux with the Lions. Neither Caldwell or Wayne Fontes weren't relatively great coaches. Fans aren't wrong for wanting something better than mediocre.

However, as history has shown, those two won in spite of ownership. The one constant this franchise has had for decades. Ownership hasn't had any horrible moments like New England had in the late 80's-early 90's. The Ford Family aren't bad people. They have just proven, time and time again, they are clueless in terms of fielding a regularly mediocre football team.

Hence why nothing will change until the Ford family sells. Not a guarantee that anything will change but what else is left for fans?

Lions were going to be garbage this year and were ranked near the bottom by just about everyone pundit before the season. What they have shown so far is no surprise and much of that is due to the previous coach & gm. Current coach & gm shouldn't be absolved of blame either. But I can't honestly judge either of them at this point. Lions were going to suck this bad with or without them.

I've grown accustomed to spending every Sunday watching the other televised NFL game. Been doing that for well over a decade once I started to watch sports more regularly. Lions are still my team but I knew from my uncle long before the perfect season in '08 not to expect much. I've been to Ford Field once since it has opened and that was for a college game.

I'm expecting them to complete the perfect +1 season this year. Don't see another winnable game after this one.
 

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The Ford Family aren't bad people. They have just proven, time and time again, they are clueless in terms of fielding a regularly mediocre football team.

Hence why nothing will change until the Ford family sells. Not a guarantee that anything will change but what else is left for fans?
Most owners are clueless. That is why they hire GM's and football operations. William Clay, Martha and Sheila are not one in the same. William was the polar opposite of Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones. He rarely meddled with the team and was loyal to a fault. In particular his loyalty to Russ Thomas that saw no importance in getting a QB and famously drafted a fullback instead of Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. When he finally decided to force the issue he directed Millen to draft Harrington instead of Quentin Jammer. Sheila has ushered in more change in one year than has happened in my 40 years on this planet.

Be careful what you wish for in wanting the Fords to sell the Lions. Ford Field is pushing 20 years old, Detroit metro and Michigan are losing population. The market is shrinking. Without the luxury of local ownership there is a very realistic possibility Detroit could no longer have a NFL team in a decade or more with a new ownership cabal.
 

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Be careful what you wish for in wanting the Fords to sell the Lions. Ford Field is pushing 20 years old, Detroit metro and Michigan are losing population. The market is shrinking. Without the luxury of local ownership there is a very realistic possibility Detroit could no longer have a NFL team in a decade or more with a new ownership cabal.

Detroit is still the 14th largest Metro area in the country and much bigger than quite a few others that have teams

it's also not shrinking anymore so much as growing slowly

Metropolitan statistical area - Wikipedia
 

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Anyone watch a lot of the Pistons? I expected Cade to shoot better than he has, the box scores have been pretty ugly.
 

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