OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

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Pistons coming to Phoenix on 12/2. Will be looking into a schedule adjustment at work to accommodate. Tickets are cheap on the secondary market. $11 for the upper bowl. Last time I went a Suns game Aaron Rodgers was there for some reason. I enjoyed booing him. Last Pistons game I went to was at the Palace in '95 or '96.

Scheduling that around work?... Against the Suns??? Oof. Hope you don't mind the potential blowout, haha.

 

[Bondurant]

Scheduling that around work?... Against the Suns??? Oof. Hope you don't mind the potential blowout, haha.

All I need to do is get off 30 minutes early so I can walk to the arena before the game starts.

 

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Ok I really don't have a dog in this fight but this is some hilarious trolling...View attachment 477335

Hey whaddya know...

Harbaugh: Big Ten admits to errors in MSU game

 

[jkutswings]

He Said: The refs botched a crucial call.

I Heard: Somebody, ANYBODY other than me, please take accountability for yet another big game loss.

Keep playing the hits, Jimmy.

 

[RabidBadger]

He Said: The refs botched a crucial call.

I Heard: Somebody, ANYBODY other than me, please take accountability for yet another big game loss.

Keep playing the hits, Jimmy.

No doubt. I was somewhat sympathetic with the infamous 4th down spot against OSU many years ago (nevermind UM threw a pick 6 and quit after the bad call). Now it's become a predictable cliche. Try winning a notable game to give yourself the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Hen Kolland]

He Said: The refs botched a crucial call.

I Heard: Somebody, ANYBODY other than me, please take accountability for yet another big game loss.

Keep playing the hits, Jimmy.

I will say, it’s easy for Spartans to throw stones and talk about how they don’t complain about bad calls when they were the benefactor of the substantial missed call in their biggest game of the season (biggest for both teams).

And then in the game where they did experience some bad calls against them they were getting their asses waxed all over the field by a walk-on dropping over 500 yards.

Michigan has a valid point that the missed call might be the single most pivotal call in the entire game. So naturally Michigan State would want to shift the narrative to “oh we would never complain about such petty things” knowing full well that their complaints are nowhere near the magnitude or importance of the ones Michigan is highlighting. If the roles were reversed, we’d be hearing a never ending bitchfest from East Lansing the same way we are currently hearing a never ending bitchfest from Ann Arbor. Anyone who says we wouldn’t be is full of shit.

Neither side can apply a “holier than thou” mantra because both sides are miserable to listen to and behave the same way. As much as they both like to pretend that they don’t.

 

[jkutswings]

I will say, it’s easy for Spartans to throw stones and talk about how they don’t complain about bad calls when they were the benefactor of the substantial missed call in their biggest game of the season (biggest for both teams).

And then in the game where they did experience some bad calls against them they were getting their asses waxed all over the field by a walk-on dropping over 500 yards.

Michigan has a valid point that the missed call might be the single most pivotal call in the entire game. So naturally Michigan State would want to shift the narrative to “oh we would never complain about such petty things” knowing full well that their complaints are nowhere near the magnitude or importance of the ones Michigan is highlighting. If the roles were reversed, we’d be hearing a never ending bitchfest from East Lansing the same way we are currently hearing a never ending bitchfest from Ann Arbor. Anyone who says we wouldn’t be is full of shit.

Neither side can apply a “holier than thou” mantra because both sides are miserable to listen to and behave the same way. As much as they both like to pretend that they don’t.

Except that this is an annual tantrum from this particular toddler. And the guy is following in the time honored tradition of it.

We didn't lose - we ran out of time.
It was the monsoon.
<insert current coach> doesn't have his players yet.
It was Spartan Bob.
It was the crown of the field.

Do bad calls happen? Absolutely. To every team. So either demand better from your own team until they rise to the occasion, or keep giving them excuses for not closing the deal in big games, and watch the pattern continue.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Except that this is an annual tantrum from this particular toddler. And the guy is following in the time honored tradition of it.

We didn't lose - we ran out of time.
It was the monsoon.
<insert current coach> doesn't have his players yet.
It was Spartan Bob.
It was the crown of the field.

Do bad calls happen? Absolutely. To every team. So either demand better from your own team until they rise to the occasion, or keep giving them excuses for not closing the deal in big games, and watch the pattern continue.

Congrats, you can parrot Valenti.

It’s uncanny how much the sides behave like each other but tell everyone that they are nothing alike.

 

[jkutswings]

Congrats, you can parrot Valenti.

It’s uncanny how much the sides behave like each other but tell everyone that they are nothing alike.

I've said more than once on these boards - when talking about the Wings, and the subject matter had nothing to do with college football - that using officiating as an excuse for a loss is weak sauce. If the preparation and execution for a given game is derailed by one or two bad calls, then the team didn't deserve to win the game.

Be better. Do better. Doesn't matter the sport or the team or the opponent or whether it's pre season or the championship game. Officials are human and they can and will make mistakes, so expect it to sometimes happen, and play the game to win by multiple scores so it's not an issue. Anything else is letting yourself off the hook, no matter how frustrating it is to see an entire crew with access to instant replay still get it wrong.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I've said more than once on these boards - when talking about the Wings, and the subject matter had nothing to do with college football - that using officiating as an excuse for a loss is weak sauce. If the preparation and execution for a given game is derailed by one or two bad calls, then the team didn't deserve to win the game.

Be better. Do better. Doesn't matter the sport or the team or the opponent or whether it's pre season or the championship game. Officials are human and they can and will make mistakes, so expect it to sometimes happen, and play the game to win by multiple scores so it's not an issue. Anything else is letting yourself off the hook, no matter how frustrating it is to see an entire crew with access to instant replay still get it wrong.

Sure, and I think there is a problem with the lack of accountability with Michigan’s program. There’s no denying that. Because while the missed call does have a serious influence of the state of that game, there isn’t an excuse for letting everything come unraveled at the end. They still controlled the game into the third quarter and got the first points of the second half. It should have been relatively easy to control that game to the finish. But alas…

My point is about the posturing by Mel that rings hollow for me. It looks more buttoned up and professional than how Harbaugh conducts himself, but that’s about the end of it. Saying complaining about bad calls isn’t a part of your culture and then confirming for the media that there were calls that you considered to be bad calls that you communicated to the Big Ten but reiterating that you don’t complain about bad calls. Sure Tuck, you keep telling yourself (and apparently the media) that you don’t complain about bad calls.

 

[jkutswings]

Sure, and I think there is a problem with the lack of accountability with Michigan’s program. There’s no denying that. Because while the missed call does have a serious influence of the state of that game, there isn’t an excuse for letting everything come unraveled at the end. They still controlled the game into the third quarter and got the first points of the second half. It should have been relatively easy to control that game to the finish. But alas…

My point is about the posturing by Mel that rings hollow for me. It looks more buttoned up and professional than how Harbaugh conducts himself, but that’s about the end of it. Saying complaining about bad calls isn’t a part of your culture and then confirming for the media that there were calls that you considered to be bad calls that you communicated to the Big Ten but reiterating that you don’t complain about bad calls. Sure Tuck, you keep telling yourself (and apparently the media) that you don’t complain about bad calls.

Ok. Go Penn State.

 

[jaster]

If the preparation and execution for a given game is derailed by one or two bad calls, then the team didn't deserve to win the game.

Officials are human and they can and will make mistakes, so expect it to sometimes happen, and play the game to win by multiple scores so it's not an issue.

I agree with your point about how teams should be accountable to themselves. And you won't ever find me defending Harbaugh. But these statements are kinda crazy. I mean, where's the line? 3 bad calls? What about 3 bad calls?

The problem with those statements is that, when you pit two evenly-matched teams against one another, they are simply unrealistic. Win by multiple scores or you don't deserve to win? Overcome a bad call that swings the game 7 points or you don't deserve to win? I mean, at what point do you think bad officiating begins to have an impact on the result and "deserves" is no longer the point?

Again, I get the team dynamic part. I don't want Harbaugh giving his players the wrong impression. I don't what the players thinking about officiating in a way that impacts how they see their own performance. But as viewers with no impact on the game, we as fans absolutely have the luxury of pointing out where officials are impacting the result of a game.

In the end, I don't really care. Years ago, a game like that would have been a bit soul-crushing. But a team can no longer crush your soul after it has already removed it completely lol. The era between Carr and Harbaugh battered me pretty good as a fan, but the Harbaugh era, because of the original expectations vs the results on the field, has left me but a simple shell of a college football fan at this point. His record speaks for itself, on a macro level. But on a micro level, there have certainly been points where it's obvious the officials messed up in a way that significantly changed the dynamic of the game.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Even if they come back Lester needs to go. About to lose to a 2 win team. Shame fleck didn’t stay at wmu

 

[YpsiWings]

Stones are about to start on ESPN, it will be my first time being able to see Cunningham for Detroit (watched him at OKST). Going by the box scores it looks like he has had a rough start, I hope he shuts up Greens loud mouth.

 

[Ricelund]

Looks like they're open to spending some money! Let's go!

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Rockets have 2x more free throws lol.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

And they still lost haha

Cunningham also won the battle tonight.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Cade hasn't burst into the league quite like Raymond and Seider, but I thought he had a great game tonight.

20 points, 3 assists, 4 rebounds on really good efficiency. His made three pointer and subsequent charge drawn on Green was a nice highlight. He's a really mature player, does everything pretty well at this stage.

Pistons roster needs a lot of work, and Cade himself has plenty of room to grow, but I think there's reason for optimism.

 

[FabricDetails]

Cade hasn't burst into the league quite like Raymond and Seider, but I thought he had a great game tonight.

20 points, 3 assists, 4 rebounds on really good efficiency. His made three pointer and subsequent charge drawn on Green was a nice highlight. He's a really mature player, does everything pretty well at this stage.

Pistons roster needs a lot of work, and Cade himself has plenty of room to grow, but I think there's reason for optimism.

Chapter 1 of their NBA journey as 1 vs. 2.

I'm all for the trash talk from Green and I'm all for the "Beware the fury of a patient man" from Cade.

If I'm honest, I want both of those guys on my team. (And if I'm greedily honest I want Mobley too, haha). Because this is really a Wings forum I see Cade as like a Lidstrom type force. I still want a straight up dog to unleash and get 20+ within the 2nd and 3rd to setup Cade for the 4th. Tonight that was Jerami Grant but I'm not sure if he's that guy long-term.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

I love Cades quotes tonight too.


Edit: for those that don’t want to look it up. “The trash talk tonight was all for the cameras” and also “It depends what they say but I’ll talk back if I have to”

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Chapter 1 of their NBA journey as 1 vs. 2.

I'm all for the trash talk from Green and I'm all for the "Beware the fury of a patient man" from Cade.

If I'm honest, I want both of those guys on my team. (And if I'm greedily honest I want Mobley too, haha). Because this is really a Wings forum I see Cade as like a Lidstrom type force. I still want a straight up dog to unleash and get 20+ within the 2nd and 3rd to setup Cade for the 4th. Tonight that was Jerami Grant but I'm not sure if he's that guy long-term.

Yeah I feel you, I genuinely like Jalen Green too. He pretty clearly has beef with Cade and Detroit, which still feels a little manufactured/immature to me, but if we're honest I think Detroit fans would definitely get behind his "me vs. the world" attitude if he was one of ours. I also like the fashion side of basketball and Green has killer outfits lol.

Mobley has definitely exceeded my expectations so far, he looks excellent. Barnes too. I swear, when Michigan played FSU in the tournament I thought that guy was invisible. Six months later and he's putting up monster numbers in the NBA. Shows what I know.

It does look like we'll pick top ten again, maybe even top five. It'd be nice if we add an athletic scorer this year.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Yeah I feel you, I genuinely like Jalen Green too. He pretty clearly has beef with Cade and Detroit, which still feels a little manufactured/immature to me, but if we're honest I think Detroit fans would definitely get behind his "me vs. the world" attitude if he was one of ours. I also like the fashion side of basketball and Green has killer outfits lol.

Mobley has definitely exceeded my expectations so far, he looks excellent. Barnes too. I swear, when Michigan played FSU in the tournament I thought that guy was invisible. Six months later and he's putting up monster numbers in the NBA. Shows what I know.

It does look like we'll pick top ten again, maybe even top five. It'd be nice if we add an athletic scorer this year.

I wouldn’t have been opposed to trading the #1 and picking Mobley the defense and length of of the team would’ve been great. Right now though I’m happy we stuck with it and selected Cade.

Also hopefully we don’t pick that high and the young players progress like they were supposed to. But hey at least it’ll be a good draft if they don’t.

 

[FabricDetails]

He pretty clearly has beef with Cade and Detroit, which still feels a little manufactured/immature to me, but if we're honest I think Detroit fans would definitely get behind his "me vs. the world" attitude if he was one of ours. I also like the fashion side of basketball and Green has killer outfits lol.

Yeah you nailed it.

That whole "Detroit is boring" crap from him isn't real. It's only to hype himself up and play the villain. When you make millions of dollars every major city is interesting.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I love Cades quotes tonight too.


Edit: for those that don’t want to look it up. “The trash talk tonight was all for the cameras” and also “It depends what they say but I’ll talk back if I have to”

I just appreciated Cade taking that charge late. Green was looking chaotic and reckless, blows through an obvious set Cade waiting. Cade stands up and while standing over Green on the ground just staring him down. Just punked him.

 

[jkutswings]

I just appreciated Cade taking that charge late. Green was looking chaotic and reckless, blows through an obvious set Cade waiting. Cade stands up and while standing over Green on the ground just staring him down. Just punked him.

Yeah. Both good players, but if I had to predict a career comparison:

Green ends up having a lot more appearances on SportsCenter. Cunningham ends up having more appearances on the Larry O'Brien Trophy.