OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[izlez]

Agreed. But they weren't winning that game either way.


The rate is only so low because of the dumb new rules. I can understand saying you have to be trailing, but limiting it to the 4th quarter and having to declare it ahead of time is just pointless and ridiculous. Let a team spring it on an opponent whenever they can.

Declaring it is far from pointless. It's an absolute necessity. How else are you going to do an onside kick when all of the players are lined up 40 yards in front of the kicker?

 

[jkutswings]

Declaring it is far from pointless. It's an absolute necessity. How else are you going to do an onside kick when all of the players are lined up 40 yards in front of the kicker?

Like this. (If the video isn't playing, search Super Bowl onside kick. In 2010 the Saints started the second half with a surprise onside kick that they recovered.)

 

[izlez]

Like this. (If the video isn't playing, search Super Bowl onside kick. In 2010 the Saints started the second half with a surprise onside kick that they recovered.)

Right.... but that involves changing all of the kickoff rules back to how they used to be, not just getting rid of declaring it.

Declaring it isn't some some cheesy idea they tacked on. It was something that was fundamentally required if they were going to change how players lined up for kickoffs.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Declaring it is far from pointless. It's an absolute necessity. How else are you going to do an onside kick when all of the players are lined up 40 yards in front of the kicker?

Make it so the kicker needs to land it at the halfway point between where the players are. His guys at the 40, them at the 30… it’s gotta hit the 35 and further.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Right.... but that involves changing all of the kickoff rules back to how they used to be, not just getting rid of declaring it.

Declaring it isn't some some cheesy idea they tacked on. It was something that was fundamentally required if they were going to change how players lined up for kickoffs.

And that’s the problem. The new kickoff is very poorly thought out. It tried to address one problem (guys running with 40 yards of steam blasting the return team and therefore teams just taking touchbacks) and ignored the fact that touchbacks are still the order of the day and that it wildly favors the return team because they get a heads up to put their hands team on. In addition onside kicks being a very low probability play to begin with… the return team can’t even be caught unawares like the Colts were anymore

 

[ricky0034]

And that’s the problem. The new kickoff is very poorly thought out. It tried to address one problem (guys running with 40 yards of steam blasting the return team and therefore teams just taking touchbacks) and ignored the fact that touchbacks are still the order of the day and that it wildly favors the return team because they get a heads up to put their hands team on. In addition onside kicks being a very low probability play to begin with… the return team can’t even be caught unawares like the Colts were anymore

I thought it was because like half of all concussions(or something crazy like that anyways maybe i'm remembering the exact number wrong) were coming from kick returns?

i'm sure they'd have also liked less touchbacks but that wasn't the main reason behind it

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I thought it was because like half of all concussions(or something crazy like that anyways maybe i'm remembering the exact number wrong) were coming from kick returns?

i'm sure they'd have also liked less touchbacks but that wasn't the main reason behind it

Yes, #1 was avoiding concussions. That was the main goal.

But they did the stupid ass landing zone thing and starting at the 30 instead of the 20 or 25 to try to throw a bone to those who didn’t want kicks out of the game.

But teams are still just kicking into the end zone for touchbacks.

They wouldn’t have dicked around with the landing zone if they didn’t want to keep returns happening