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jkutswings said:
Agreed. But they weren't winning that game either way.


The rate is only so low because of the dumb new rules. I can understand saying you have to be trailing, but limiting it to the 4th quarter and having to declare it ahead of time is just pointless and ridiculous. Let a team spring it on an opponent whenever they can.
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Declaring it is far from pointless. It's an absolute necessity. How else are you going to do an onside kick when all of the players are lined up 40 yards in front of the kicker?
 
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izlez said:
Declaring it is far from pointless. It's an absolute necessity. How else are you going to do an onside kick when all of the players are lined up 40 yards in front of the kicker?
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Like this. (If the video isn't playing, search Super Bowl onside kick. In 2010 the Saints started the second half with a surprise onside kick that they recovered.)

 
jkutswings said:
Like this. (If the video isn't playing, search Super Bowl onside kick. In 2010 the Saints started the second half with a surprise onside kick that they recovered.)

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Right.... but that involves changing all of the kickoff rules back to how they used to be, not just getting rid of declaring it.

Declaring it isn't some some cheesy idea they tacked on. It was something that was fundamentally required if they were going to change how players lined up for kickoffs.
 
izlez said:
Declaring it is far from pointless. It's an absolute necessity. How else are you going to do an onside kick when all of the players are lined up 40 yards in front of the kicker?
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Make it so the kicker needs to land it at the halfway point between where the players are. His guys at the 40, them at the 30… it’s gotta hit the 35 and further.
 
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izlez said:
Right.... but that involves changing all of the kickoff rules back to how they used to be, not just getting rid of declaring it.

Declaring it isn't some some cheesy idea they tacked on. It was something that was fundamentally required if they were going to change how players lined up for kickoffs.
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And that’s the problem. The new kickoff is very poorly thought out. It tried to address one problem (guys running with 40 yards of steam blasting the return team and therefore teams just taking touchbacks) and ignored the fact that touchbacks are still the order of the day and that it wildly favors the return team because they get a heads up to put their hands team on. In addition onside kicks being a very low probability play to begin with… the return team can’t even be caught unawares like the Colts were anymore
 
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Axel Sandy Pelikan said:
And that’s the problem. The new kickoff is very poorly thought out. It tried to address one problem (guys running with 40 yards of steam blasting the return team and therefore teams just taking touchbacks) and ignored the fact that touchbacks are still the order of the day and that it wildly favors the return team because they get a heads up to put their hands team on. In addition onside kicks being a very low probability play to begin with… the return team can’t even be caught unawares like the Colts were anymore
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I thought it was because like half of all concussions(or something crazy like that anyways maybe i'm remembering the exact number wrong) were coming from kick returns?

i'm sure they'd have also liked less touchbacks but that wasn't the main reason behind it
 
ricky0034 said:
I thought it was because like half of all concussions(or something crazy like that anyways maybe i'm remembering the exact number wrong) were coming from kick returns?

i'm sure they'd have also liked less touchbacks but that wasn't the main reason behind it
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Yes, #1 was avoiding concussions. That was the main goal.

But they did the stupid ass landing zone thing and starting at the 30 instead of the 20 or 25 to try to throw a bone to those who didn’t want kicks out of the game.

But teams are still just kicking into the end zone for touchbacks.

They wouldn’t have dicked around with the landing zone if they didn’t want to keep returns happening
 
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I'm wondering if the Eagles win their last two and Lions split (beat SF who's a shadow of themselves, and lose to the Vikings -- could happen)
who would get the tie-breaker. I think its still the Lions with fewer Conference losses.

Anyway if the Lions get that #1 seed I think they are in very good shape. A week to rest and get their players back on defense, while
everyone else in the NFC soldiers on.
 
ChaosLord said:
I'm wondering if the Eagles win their last two and Lions split (beat SF who's a shadow of themselves, and lose to the Vikings -- could happen)
who would get the tie-breaker. I think its still the Lions with fewer Conference losses.

Anyway if the Lions get that #1 seed I think they are in very good shape. A week to rest and get their players back on defense, while
everyone else in the NFC soldiers on.
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Lions #1 if they win out, if they win one and Minnesota loses one.

Minnesota #1 if they win out and Detroit loses to SF

Philly #1 if they win out, Detroit and Minnesota only get one win a piece (Detroit over SF, Minnesota over DET)

Philadelphia lost all control over their destiny by letting Washington win.
 
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Axel Sandy Pelikan said:
Lions #1 if they win out, if they win one and Minnesota loses one.

Minnesota #1 if they win out and Detroit loses to SF

Philly #1 if they win out, Detroit and Minnesota only get one win a piece (Detroit over SF, Minnesota over DET)

Philadelphia lost all control over their destiny by letting Washington win.
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I don't think Philadelphia can really win a tiebreaker over Detroit at this point

even if they won out and Detroit lost to Minnesota it would come down to strength of victory(win total of opposing teams on the schedule) which while considering there's 2 weeks left it's probably theoretically possible for Philadelphia to come out ahead there they are currently behind like 100 to 89 in that so it would probably be really unlikely to the point of being almost impossible in practice(they would make up like 3 wins there by beating Dallas and the Giants with Detroit only beating SF so teams they have beat would need to win like 9 more games than teams Detroit has beat in the final 2 weeks of the season)
 

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(Note: If two clubs remain tied after one-or-more clubs are eliminated during any step, tiebreaker restarts at Step 1 of two-club format. If three clubs remain tied after a fourth club is eliminated during any step, tiebreaker restarts at Step 1 of three-club format.)
  1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
  4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  5. Strength of victory in all games.
  6. Strength of schedule in all games.
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  9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss
 
ricky0034 said:
I don't think Philadelphia can really win a tiebreaker over Detroit at this point

even if they won out and Detroit lost to Minnesota it would come down to strength of victory(win total of opposing teams on the schedule) which while considering there's 2 weeks left it's probably theoretically possible for Philadelphia to come out ahead there they are currently behind like 100 to 89 in that so it would probably be really unlikely to the point of being almost impossible in practice(they would make up like 3 wins there by beating Dallas and the Giants with Detroit only beating SF so teams they have beat would need to win like 9 more games than teams Detroit has beat in the final 2 weeks of the season)
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Yeah it is almost impossible for the Eagles to win the 1st tie breaker. It's basically to the point that the non shared opponents for the Lions would have to lose all remaining games. Right now total victories are 133 to 115 for the lions. We have 5 shared opponents (so no bonus to either team) with the division bonus game being us with Packers over them with the Cowboys. A lot of the Eagles opponents still play each other again too which would limit victories. A very rough calc had it at something like 20 more potential wins for the Eagles opponents vs the 18 the lions are already up.
 
Konnan511 said:
Meh.

Really needed to go after Bregman. Torres is a stroke out machine, doesn't hit for a ton of power, and is decent at fielding. Sounds like someone else on the team.
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Even being a bit down last year, he raked against lefties and Hinch loves using those match ups. And even if all this is true, its still an infielder that is a proven reliable bat, that can also get Tork I out of the every day line up and put a competent bat in Keith at first
 
SoupNazi said:
Yep. Sounds like Torres is going to be the regular 2nd baseman, with Colt Keith sliding to 1st possibly. Sounds like that would leave Tork as the odd man out.

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yeah, that's how I was seeing it, too. I get it, Tork hasn't done himself any favors...but Keith's line isn't that much better. Torres has also played a fair bit of short, so maybe he's also insurance for when Baez comes back and still sucks.

Tork finding his bat would be such a big boost for this team.
 
Great. The 49ers have been playing like garbage most of the year, but leave to tonight's game that they get Purdy back and
they put up a titanic struggle. Lions win only by the skin of their teeth. Whatever, a win's a win.

So this sets up the most important game in Lions franchise history next week. Win, and they are essentially fast tracked to the
Super Bowl: HFA throughout the playoffs, get a lot of injured players back after the bye, and so on. Lose, and they're beaten up
road warriors who will have to go into Philly and into Minneapolis...yeah, better luck next year.

I'm pretty confident they can do it. Darnold is a care-taker QB as best, not even as good as Purdy. He's not big-tme, and next
week is nothing but big-time.
 
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