Merry Christmas, is dubas shopping for a top four D-man? Is Jakob Chychrun a Leaf trade target?
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The greatest 6th dman to ever lace up the skates.
The price is high. Sandin plus. Dubas' won't do it. He has to wait until after halfway due to cap.
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Dubas gained a leash from me right now, so if he says Chychrun, then I'm down. Let's gooooo.
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I like Sandin, I think he is a legit NHL dman, IMO probably best suited 4 through 6. Jacob is a legit #2 or #3. I have zero concerns trading Sandin in a package that gets us Jacob as long as its not out to school crazy bad for us. I honestly don't think it will be as high as some people think. A good prospect, a high pick and a complimentary player should get it done. Muz was Durzi, Grundstrom, a 1st rounder. Jacob is probably around that price tag. People forget that Muz played on LA's PP and was used in more offensive situations than he is here in Toronto, he is a career .435 points per game defender. Jacob is a career .405 pp/g defender. They both play a similar physical game, simialr players.
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Because of the cap, NMC/NTC's, strong left side & the risk of shaking what seems like a close-knit group, I don't see it.
Despite being a left shot D though, he's exactly the type of player (& contract) Dubas should kick tires. Love Sandman but he'd likely be the primary piece of such deal. All depends on price but it helps that Chychrun is having an off year & is owed much more than his remaining cap hit.
I've seen Chychrun play right side on a lot of OZ draws, anyone have an idea of how good he is on the right side? I could see all Rielly, Muzzin, & Chychrun on the left side with Chychrun getting extra shifts on the right side & special units.
Despite being a left shot D though, he's exactly the type of player (& contract) Dubas should kick tires. Love Sandman but he'd likely be the primary piece of such deal. All depends on price but it helps that Chychrun is having an off year & is owed much more than his remaining cap hit.
I've seen Chychrun play right side on a lot of OZ draws, anyone have an idea of how good he is on the right side? I could see all Rielly, Muzzin, & Chychrun on the left side with Chychrun getting extra shifts on the right side & special units.
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Sandin + for Chychrun could be fine if you lean on the pro scouts and they're confident that Chychrun will still be better and Sandin doesn't have some Adam Fox type upside or something crazy. They're only 2 years apart in age, and by the end of this season Sandin's ELC advantage will have been used up and Chychrun is on a very team friendly contract.
Just depends on how that evaluation is made.
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Leafs defensive success has been more due to the forwards than the actual defence, so it does make sense why they'd want an upgrade *cough Holl.
How is the goals against lately without Marner
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so you want to pay a huge price to upgrade on Holl? I wouldn't call that prudent or the team's greatest need. also.. if anything is skewing the defensive performance, it's more likely to be Campbell's ludicrous .937 save percentage, no?
the Leafs need another core 2-way blueliner under 26. no question. but it is of lesser importance than another skilled scorer, or drafting a top young goalie or centre, for example. we have been knocked out the last 2 seasons for not scoring enough. I would be looking to address that way ahead of spending a large package for a defenceman right now.
we need to give Sandin/Lilj more opportunity...ahead of Holl, if necessary. These are players we have already invested 1st round picks and development time in.
finally, it really makes no sense for Arizona to trade him with 3 years of term at a good price left. if they do it will presumably be because their socks were knocked off. I don't see the quality of assets and top picks the Leafs have to offer right now winning a bidding war for this player.
Exactly correct .. why not take advantage of a team that can't pay its bills .. we should to get better .. and you got thinking right Sandin + 1st round pick 2023 and a Mik type .. if they don't want him then a similar type like Kase .. we get better instantly and over long term too .. Sandin has limited upside in a top 2 role because he has no wheels .. Jakob can fly and he is big tough and solid defensively .. da little bit we lose in offense with Sandin is nothing material
Chychrun is a great player but we cannot afford him. And he plays LD, we need to address the RD slot. Top 4 RD is what we need. It just doesnt make sense unless we're moving on from Muzzin. But that still doesn't address the hole at RD. If it was Muzzin + 1st + Amirov as the core package for the deal, it could get done but I'd rather hold on to Muzzin and use those assets in a package to address RD instead.
Yes I said RD a lot.
Yes I said RD a lot.
Jakob played right side for jrc .. and was still best player in G .. his hands are very good so it is not an issue
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We got eliminated for multiple reasons but one of them was our best young defender got blown by twice for game losing goals against .. now I blame coach for dressing him when he was clearly not ready .. and it is extremely unlikely that Sandin will fix his short stride problem so bottom line is he will always be our slowest dman by a considerable distance in races
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If as you say, he can play the right side competently, then yes, I'd go for him, and would be willing to pay a considerable haul... and go so far as to ask Arizona to withhold 50%, with whatever cost that would be.
Anytime you can get better in any area you should.
But also Holl needs to be fired into the sun.
Beyond that they are 1, MAYBE 2 injuries away from Rubins playing and that's not OK.
It's just the shot I'm worried about not his ability. Our top 4 would all be left shot D-men, it could work of course but I prefer at least 1 right handed shot in the top 4.
Yeah Sandin and Jumbo were not good
I haven't seen him play much for Arizona but was a big fan of him in junior with Sarnia. Incredible athlete with tons of upside. That said, I think Chychrun is an awkward add for a number of reasons:
1. Acquisition cost: we've burnt through quite a few futures in the past 12 months and although the prospect pool isn't barren, it probably would be after a Chychrun trade if we are sending top prospects and first-rounders out the door.
2. Roster construction: Chychrun is an offensively oriented defenseman who would take minutes away from Mo which didn't work out that well for Rielly or the Leafs when they tried that with Barrie. Such a move presumably sends Sandin the other way otherwise this issue is only further compounded. Chychrun's contract would also likely need to be accommodated by moving Muzzin in the offseason at the latest, however, I don't think anyone is convinced that Chychrun is defensively responsible enough to replace Muzzin's presence on the team (unless management thinks Jake is in an irreparable age-induced decline in play).
3. Health: Jakob Chychrun has had just two healthy seasons dating back to his rookie season in Sarnia in 2014. He's a young guy still but he has had a handful of lower-body injuries since joining the Coyotes and if Muzzin and Sandin are moved to accommodate Chychrun long term, there isn't much to fall back on if he isn't healthy.
1. Acquisition cost: we've burnt through quite a few futures in the past 12 months and although the prospect pool isn't barren, it probably would be after a Chychrun trade if we are sending top prospects and first-rounders out the door.
2. Roster construction: Chychrun is an offensively oriented defenseman who would take minutes away from Mo which didn't work out that well for Rielly or the Leafs when they tried that with Barrie. Such a move presumably sends Sandin the other way otherwise this issue is only further compounded. Chychrun's contract would also likely need to be accommodated by moving Muzzin in the offseason at the latest, however, I don't think anyone is convinced that Chychrun is defensively responsible enough to replace Muzzin's presence on the team (unless management thinks Jake is in an irreparable age-induced decline in play).
3. Health: Jakob Chychrun has had just two healthy seasons dating back to his rookie season in Sarnia in 2014. He's a young guy still but he has had a handful of lower-body injuries since joining the Coyotes and if Muzzin and Sandin are moved to accommodate Chychrun long term, there isn't much to fall back on if he isn't healthy.
No one understands here fully but single best move Leafs could make right now is remove Holl from top 6 .. big addition by subtraction .. of course not Jakob level upgrade but still our defense gets better ASAP by putting Lily in for Holl .. it kinda p*sses me off that Dubie just won't do it .. Holl is not talented enough pure and simple .. and he is not trained properly in defensive play
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