Merry Christmas, is dubas shopping for a top four D-man? Is Jakob Chychrun a Leaf trade target?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think the Leafs have the quality of picks or young talent to get it done over other teams.

There probably are teams That have more to offer but a lot of those teams won't do that because they aren't where the Leafs are in their development they aren't in a position to give up those assets

The Leafs are a top 5 team they are in that position

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't know if he's the answer but I do know that if they want to beat Tampa you have to do something because that defense is not good enough, Chychrun would get it close to even then I'd still target Justin Braun or Colin Miller or another guy I'd be looking to add 2 guys

 

[Stigma]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'd DEFINITELY trade for Chychrun. This guy is trending toward a 1D if he's not already there. He scored the most goals for a D-man last year on an atrocious team. Young and cheap as hell too. His parents live here so that may be a slight advantage for us. I'd include Sandin in the trade. You have to be a bit ruthless sometimes if you want to win a cup. We can't get attached to our players and think they're better than they are just because they're our picks. Not saying Sandin isn't a great player, but if his departure means Chychrun, so be it. I'd have no problem moving Robertson either. I'd move any of our top prospects, to be honest.

 

[francis246]

Nothing against him, but I don't like what the rightful asking price would be, nor does it address our most glaring need, which is a top4 RHD.

I hate the thought of having to move Sandin, Robertson, and a 1st for a 24 year old who has had 2 knee surgeries and will require all kinds of salary cap gymnastics, while we lose low cost ELC's and pipeline talent..... and again, he still doesn't fill our RHD needs.

I would think with Sandin coming up, and Rielly locked up, LHD looks good moving forward.

I woulldn't even think of it. If you are going to give up significant assets, you do it to fill a glaring hole, one we have had for several years now. If you are going to pay that price, you fill it and put it to rest. Adding him doesn't do any of that, and it costs us assets we could use to get away from band-aid solutions here.

Hard no from me.

Again, beating a dead horse, but if we had gone harder for Weegar when Dubas was talking to Florida about him, we would be laughing our behinds off right now.......

Chychrun’s contract is a steal.. with all our impending UFA’s we could retool and make it work.

 

[francis246]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'd DEFINITELY trade for Chychrun. This guy is trending toward a 1D if he's not already there. He scored the most goals for a D-man last year on an atrocious team. Young and cheap as hell too. His parents live here so that may be a slight advantage for us. I'd include Sandin in the trade. You have to be a bit ruthless sometimes if you want to win a cup. We can't get attached to our players and think they're better than they are just because they're our picks. Not saying Sandin isn't a great player, but if his departure means Chychrun, so be it. I'd have no problem moving Robertson either. I'd move any of our top prospects, to be honest.

exactly, didn’t Tampa trade for a prime McDonough when they already had Sergachev and Herman. You can never have enough talent

I know a lot of people love our prospects, but news flash, you can’t keep em all of you want to win a championship. The best teams sacrifice picks and young players to give them the best possible roster regardless of handness. That’s why you have to trust our scouting staff. And it looks we are doing well on some of our later picks like Niemela, Hirovinen, Voit ect. Also we’ve got some interesting guys on the Marlies we can graduate. Steeves looks like a player. So we can move a Robertson or Amirov and strengthen our team and still be fine.

 

[ToneDog]

exactly, didn’t Tampa trade for a prime McDonough when they already had Sergachev and Herman. You can never have enough talent

I'd be in on Chychrun but I don't see the fit unless you can find a 3rd team to take Muzzin. Perhaps Chychrun can stabilize Holl so you don't have to move him as well. Guessing Zona want Sandin but I'm not interested in emptying our prospect pool and #1 pick so I'd be out.

 

[The Iceman]

Hate to say it but Chariot from Montreal is the perfect remedy.

RHD on an expiring contract with some bite.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Prob give Bozak and a 2nd

I’d throw in Bracco.

I'd even add Nielsen if necessary.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Hate to say it but Chariot from Montreal is the perfect remedy.

RHD on an expiring contract with some bite.

He is a left handed D man

 

[francis246]

I'd be in on Chychrun but I don't see the fit unless you can find a 3rd team to take Muzzin. Perhaps Chychrun can stabilize Holl so you don't have to move him as well. Guessing Zona want Sandin but I'm not interested in emptying our prospect pool and #1 pick so I'd be out.

Dermott/Kerfoot/1st Round Pick/Amirov/B Level Prospect or 2nd Rounder likely. I think that is fair gives Arizona lots of pieces to work with and makes our team a lot better.

play Chychrun with Muzzin. the RHD/LHD is just something that Babcock liked. Many teams have more LHD than RHD and run multiple LHD/LHD pairings. In fact that used to be the NHL norm. In fact Chychrun only played LD once he got to the NHL. He played RD his entire Junior career

Rielly/Chychrun
Muzzin/Brodie
Sandin/Liljegren
Holl
Rubins

additionally trading one prospect isn't emptying the prospect pool. The reality is, you're going to have to move picks players to be a contender. You can't have it both ways because this current roster's defense is not good enough to win a stanley cup. If we really believe we can win with this roster, then the time for high picks and prospects is over. Trust in your scouting staff to find gems in the later round and do everything to have amazing depth for a cup run. Tampa is so good because they hit on their 4th, 5th and 6th rounders and their minor league team is so deep. Something Toronto doesn't do very well.

 

[Griffin76]

exactly, didn’t Tampa trade for a prime McDonough when they already had Sergachev and Herman. You can never have enough talent

I know a lot of people love our prospects, but news flash, you can’t keep em all of you want to win a championship. The best teams sacrifice picks and young players to give them the best possible roster regardless of handness. That’s why you have to trust our scouting staff. And it looks we are doing well on some of our later picks like Niemela, Hirovinen, Voit ect. Also we’ve got some interesting guys on the Marlies we can graduate. Steeves looks like a player. So we can move a Robertson or Amirov and strengthen our team and still be fine.

Couldn't resist.

 

[francis246]

Couldn't resist.

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LOL! typo!!

 

[ToneDog]

Dermott/Kerfoot/1st Round Pick/Amirov/B Level Prospect or 2nd Rounder likely. I think that is fair gives Arizona lots of pieces to work with and makes our team a lot better.

play Chychrun with Muzzin. the RHD/LHD is just something that Babcock liked. Many teams have more LHD than RHD and run multiple LHD/LHD pairings. In fact that used to be the NHL norm. In fact Chychrun only played LD once he got to the NHL. He played RD his entire Junior career

Rielly/Chychrun
Muzzin/Brodie
Sandin/Liljegren
Holl
Rubins

additionally trading one prospect isn't emptying the prospect pool. The reality is, you're going to have to move picks players to be a contender. You can't have it both ways because this current roster's defense is not good enough to win a stanley cup. If we really believe we can win with this roster, then the time for high picks and prospects is over. Trust in your scouting staff to find gems in the later round and do everything to have amazing depth for a cup run. Tampa is so good because they hit on their 4th, 5th and 6th rounders and their minor league team is so deep. Something Toronto doesn't do very well.

You can't have your cake and eat it. IMO no way Zona settles for any deal that does not include Sandin and I am not sure you want to be left with 1 RHD in your top 6. In your scenario if one of Muzz, Chych or Rielly can't transition to the RD, you are screwed.

From reading the main board, Chychrun should return close to what CBJ got for Jones. Take into account Chychrun makes less than half of what the Hawks paid Jones which makes him more attractive.

I could see Sandin + 1st + Robertson. Agree with the rest.

Rielly Brodie
Chrychrun Holl
Muzzin Lily
Dermott

 

[pcruz]

The trick would be getting Chychrun without giving up a core piece or one of the best young assets.

But I'm sure some team would beat it.

But hey for fun...

To ARZ: Kerfoot, Ritchie, Dermott, Holl, Amirov, 1st rounder
To TOR: Chychrun, Crouse, Lyubushkin

Bunting --- Matthews --- Marner
Nylander --- Tavares --- Kase
Mikheyev --- Kampf --- Engvall
Crouse --- Spezza --- Simmonds
Clifford

Chychrun --- Rielly
Muzzin --- Brodie
Sandin --- Liljegren
Lyubushkin​

That trade offers nothing to Arizona.
A bunch of players not worthy of their contracts, or players that have little left to grow, and a late 1st round pick.

We don't have the cap space, or the tradeable assets to get Chychrun, and he doesn't immediately address our biggest need which is a solid RHD.

 

[francis246]

You can't have your cake and eat it. IMO no way Zona settles for any deal that does not include Sandin and I am not sure you want to be left with 1 RHD in your top 6. In your scenario if one of Muzz, Chych or Rielly can't transition to the RD, you are screwed.

From reading the main board, Chychrun should return close to what CBJ got for Jones. Take into account Chychrun makes less than half of what the Hawks paid Jones which makes him more attractive.

I could see Sandin + 1st + Robertson. Agree with the rest.

Rielly Brodie
Chrychrun Holl
Muzzin Lily
Dermott

either way, I'd move Sandin, (preferably Liljegren tbh) for Chychrun. Chychrun is a better player and will be a better player long term. The only issue is just Chychrun costs more. But if it helps us bring a championship I'm all for it. Winning a championship requires tough decisions, but to have Chychrun and help him solidify our defense would be crazy.

Just run
Rielly - Chychrun
Muzzin - Brodie
Sandin - Holl
Dermott

 

[Mess]

We are stacked with left side d men. I like Chychrun and I think he would be a decent powerplay option too with his shot but I just dont really see the point.

Our 1st round pick is needed as we didnt pick last year. Amirov and Robertson are going to be very important for us, we need cheap talent.

If the Leafs dealt their 1st and 2nd (rumoured asking price) then the Leafs would be left with only 1 pick their 7th rounder after making only 3 picks last year.

If they included Amirov a former 1st, then Leafs would essentially be without a 1st round pick over the course of the last 4 years.

 

[francis246]

That trade offers nothing to Arizona.
A bunch of players not worthy of their contracts, or players that have little left to grow, and a late 1st round pick.

We don't have the cap space, or the tradeable assets to get Chychrun, and he doesn't immediately address our biggest need which is a solid RHD.

we don't need a right handed defenseman. we need a right or left handed defenseman who can play the right side well.

 

[ToneDog]

If the Leafs dealt their 1st and 2nd (rumoured asking price) then the Leafs would be left with only 1 pick their 7th rounder after making only 3 picks last year.

If they included Amirov a former 1st, then Leafs would essentially be without a 1st round pick over the course of the last 4 years.

As well as some think Dubas has done in his 4 drafts, fact is Sandin with 62 games, Durzi with 12 games and Robbie with 6 games are the only picks to play in the NHL to date. I'd hate to give up this year's first for another rental after missing on Foligno who was more ready for the glue factory than a playoff race.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

If the Leafs dealt their 1st and 2nd (rumoured asking price) then the Leafs would be left with only 1 pick their 7th rounder after making only 3 picks last year.

If they included Amirov a former 1st, then Leafs would essentially be without a 1st round pick over the course of the last 4 years.

Ya, we are paying forward.

 

[Apex Predator]

You can't have your cake and eat it. IMO no way Zona settles for any deal that does not include Sandin and I am not sure you want to be left with 1 RHD in your top 6. In your scenario if one of Muzz, Chych or Rielly can't transition to the RD, you are screwed.

From reading the main board, Chychrun should return close to what CBJ got for Jones. Take into account Chychrun makes less than half of what the Hawks paid Jones which makes him more attractive.

I could see Sandin + 1st + Robertson. Agree with the rest.

Rielly Brodie
Chrychrun Holl
Muzzin Lily
Dermott

If we are getting Chrychrun I have no issue including Sandin. He would be bottom pair with no opportunity to move up unless injuries or willing to try right side. I would be willing to offer what you suggested. I would go for it this year with that D-core and then next season try to trade Muzzin and Holl and remake the bottom d pair and improve roster.

 

[ULF_55]

Klingberg
for
Niemela, Holl, Mikheyev, conditional pick

Maybe Dallas thinks they'll get another Heiskanen?
Just don't like seeing the Leafs moving futures for rentals, but ...

 

[Chief Berube]

I would suggest this team should acquire 2 d men

I agree. 1 RHD and 1 LHD when Muzzin inevitably gets injured

 

[Chief Berube]

Klingberg
for
Niemela, Holl, Mikheyev, conditional pick

Maybe Dallas thinks they'll get another Heiskanen?
I just don't like seeing the Leafs moving futures for rentals, but ...

No way I am giving up niemela. He's a great RHD who can be around for years to come. I would much rather give them Robertson. I love Nick but I do feel like he might not have the tools to be a top 6 and likely won't be effective in a bottom 6 role with his small size.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I agree. 1 RHD and 1 LHD when Muzzin inevitably gets injured

I don't care what side they play, you just can't get to a point where Rubins is playing playoff games

 

[ULF_55]

No way I am giving up niemela. He's a great RHD who can be around for years to come. I would much rather give them Robertson. I love Nick but I do feel like he might not have the tools to be a top 6 and likely won't be effective in a bottom 6 role with his small size.

I don't disagree at all.

I just don't see Leafs having the ammo to get a good deal done, unless they cut into NHL players that have value, or multiple high draft picks.

Holl, Mikheyev, Engvall, Ritchie, ... aren't coveted assets.