Media Availability - End Of Season (2022)

[Apex Predator]

Goalies don’t get traded for ppg forwards

Who do you consider a bonafide starter and what do you think a fair value is?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sorry, why in God’s name would Winnipeg do that?

Mrazek has negative trade value. Why? Because he is shit.

He’s not positive value, but he’s not negative value that costs a lot to move off of . He’ll be involved in a deal for a starter as the money going back, or unloaded to a team who misses out on the other goalie options, there’s not a lot this summer out there.
He’s a proven playoff goalie who has won multiple rounds in the post season before. One unlucky season here where he never got out the gate uninsured doesn’t erase a decade of track record.
Im not suggesting those two pieces straight up, there would be additions thus the plus.

 

[Gabriel426]

Dubas and Shanny came out and pretty much said, they won't make changes for the sake of changes.
Keefe defend his players.

What else do you expect them to come out and say?
Nobody is safe, we are going to rebuild again.
Some players are as good as gone because they don't fit into our team.

 

[killer1980]

Plus Shief wants out. Teams might not be lining up with best offer. I’d make the call and see what they want. Doesn’t hurt to try.

I agree to always take the shot. My problem is that there isn't a GM in this league that would be willing to pay WN what Dubas did. Also Dubas promised that he would never trade Nylander as long as he was GM. Another good reason to fire Dubas.

 

[ToneDog]

Willys a better player than laine, they also moved him to get back a big 1c who’s dad is a coach in the organization

It is close but the poster was talking about Willie and Laine being slackers meaning they would not want Willie. My post was tongue 'n cheek.

I thought Nylander for Schiefele when I first heard Schiefele wanted out but I would not do it due to the difference in age. I'd be interested in a package of Schiefele and Helley but it will take another big piece if you want to dump Mrazek on them IMO.

 

[Trapper]

He’s not positive value, but he’s not negative value that costs a lot to move off of . He’ll be involved in a deal for a starter as the money going back, or unloaded to a team who misses out on the other goalie options, there’s not a lot this summer out there.
He’s a proven playoff goalie who has won multiple rounds in the post season before. One unlucky season here where he never got out the gate uninsured doesn’t erase a decade of track record.
Im not suggesting those two pieces straight up, there would be additions thus the plus.

You package what you have to.
Nylander - Muzzin - Draft picks - prospect - etc.
Keep Gio to replace Muzzin, if Sandin/Lily haven’t been included promote them, go shopping for UFA D and remake the depth with some guys you’ve seen have some playoff success.
Shief also has a modified trade clause so that could help.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I agree to always take the shot. My problem is that there isn't a GM in this league that would be willing to pay WN what Dubas did. Also Dubas promised that he would never trade Nylander as long as he was GM. Another good reason to fire Dubas.

You should probably look around the league what 7m gets you in points, and you should also look at how much 80 point players make.

Nylander is on a value contract.

 

[mapleleafs34]

Obvious the plus is significant but depending on what way Winnipeg wants to go and they want to stay competitive Nylander is as good as they’d do as far as quality goes to base a package around, mrazek is simply cap and positional exchange and the surplus value would be based around the pluses. Maybe a young piece like sandin or middle roster guys like kerf or Holl if they want to compete next year. I think nylander and schief saw each other off value wise

Ah I missed the + after Mrazek.

100% I'd consider adding to that to get Schief & Helly. Gives us a 2C to shift JT to the wing & solves our goaltending.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Again, you’re talking like this is 2018 or 2019. Matthews only has 2 more years on his contract. There has to be a sense of urgency to go all in NOW.

The leafs are the wealthiest and most popular team in the league, who can offer the most raw dollars and max term all front loaded and bonus money. If it’s about he money There’s no reason he’d leave.
If it’s about competing then we have the perfect line mate for him, the team that’s been built around him and the most robust front office/sports department that operates at/over the cap and will always be positioned to compete.
He’s not leaving.

 

[myleafs]

I agree to always take the shot. My problem is that there isn't a GM in this league that would be willing to pay WN what Dubas did. Also Dubas promised that he would never trade Nylander as long as he was GM. Another good reason to fire Dubas.

Shieffle for Nylander is exactly the kind of move Id like to see made. Maybe some gm wouldnt have given Nylander that contract but they would now. This kind of swap works for both teams.....I like

 

[Mess]

Feels like it’s going to be a trimming around the edges business as usual offseason. Not totally satisfying on an emotional level but probably the most straight forward calculation for a really strong regular season team.

Its pretty clear from the interviews today that anything short of perhaps missing the playoffs (without a valid reason), is an acceptable ending to each season with all jobs safe, and minor changes around the edges coming.

Leafs were 4th overall last year and it meant nothing come playoff time even with home ice advantage.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Getting Shief in return would be a huge statement for this team and fanbase with Nylander going back (as you say) in whatever manipulated deal. He has the fire and mean streak. Doesn’t like to lose and has been past the first round. Huge if it would happen.

Mark Scheifele has worn out his welcome in Winnipeg. Twelve years with the same franchise bred complacency.

If Dubas can obtain him, the Leafs would be ultra strong at center with Matthews, Tavares and Scheifele.

 

[ToneDog]

You package what you have to.
Nylander - Muzzin - Draft picks - prospect - etc.
Keep Gio to replace Muzzin, if Sandin/Lily haven’t been included promote them, go shopping for UFA D and remake the depth with some guys you’ve seen have some playoff success.

I try to upgrade Kerfoot into a Bertuzzi before I entertain trading a Nylander.

Some may not like it but if we can dump Muzzin, I'd consider Nylander and Holl for Chychrun, Crouse and a top prospect.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The problem with having such a large fanbase is it includes a large population of people who really don't understand sport.

Agreed. You and your recent Nylander hot takes are a prime example.

A bonafide number 1 costs nylander. If not Nylander than a 1st plus Knies or Niemla to start.

It's tough to say who is a bonafide #1 and who isn't, that's what makes this so hard.

I used natural stat trick. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20212022&game=30127

My eye test showed me what I've seen in the past. We'd stay to the outside and couldn't get a ton of slot chances due to Tampa collapsing to the net. I thought Vasi was good, but he didn't need to be superhuman. The defense of Tampa made his job a lot easier with the numerous blocks. Throughout the 3rd when we pushed I didn't feel like we were generating a whole lot. It was dump ins, fighting for the puck which would lead to a low danger shot and a clear by the Bolts

Also, I mean isn't losing to Vasi an indictment on the way this team is structured? Like I get we went up against one of the best playoff goalies ever, but this team is supposed to be built on its elite offense and highflying talent. Yet, the most we've scored in a game 7 since 2019 is 1 goal!

That's interesting. I'm not that big on stats TBH so I can't say which site is better, I did see Vasi make a number of really awesome saves though.

As far as the way the team is structured, you have a point there IMO. We've been making goalies look good year after year and that sucks. I do think these playoffs were different but having said that, by far my #1 priority this off-season is getting the best goalie we can possibly get. We pay so much money to 4 forwards and when they get stoned every year in the playoffs by whoever goalie we face, that suggests that we need to invest more cap space in a goalie ourselves and that's exactly what I'm advocating.

Who do you consider a bonafide starter and what do you think a fair value is?

And that's the million dollar question. I say Dubas has to pick someone and take a gamble. Pretty much all goalies are gambles but gotta roll the dice on someone.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Exactly. Everything said today is just lip service, lets see what happens by September.

It's always a wait and see.

Let's see what happens in September. Let's see what happens on opening night. Let's see what happens by Christmas. Let's see what happens by the trade deadline. Let's see what happens in the playoffs. Let's see what happens in game 2. Let's see what happens in game 3. Let's see what happens in game 4. Let's see what happens in game 5. Let's see what happens in game 6. Let's see what happens in game 7. Let's see what happens at the press conference. Let's see what happens July 1st. Let's see what happens by September.

We've seen. We've seen it so many times. We've seen enough. We get called "not real fans". We should go follow the Kraken.

For the love of all that is f***ing holy, we've seen. I promise you, we've seen.

 

[killer1980]

My first boss and best boss told me when I was hired, "You see these Executives, they spend over 95% of the day covering up and justifying the mistakes they made. That's what execs do. I stopped giving most of my bosses any credit for anything. Just shouldn't have told them that.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Did he say that, yikes that's dumb.

I think what he means is Keefe is already elite and will be widely recognized as being elite in the future. I can't agree though, I do think Keefe has been good but not that good.

Keefe got destroyed by Cooper in media p.r. for however important that is, and predicting a violent series was a really dumb thing for Keefe to say. As if the league needed more of an incentive, that was an invitation to penalize us more. Next time, he needs to shut up.

So Dallas is going to give up oettinger or the rags shesterkin?
If we’re talking about moving Willy to improve all around how about Willy + Mrazek + for Schiefle + Hellebyuck

If there's a way to get Hellebuyck here, gotta look at it.

 

[Nylanderthal]

It is close but the poster was talking about Willie and Laine being slackers meaning they would not want Willie. My post was tongue 'n cheek.

I thought Nylander for Schiefele when I first heard Schiefele wanted out but I would not do it due to the difference in age. I'd be interested in a package of Schiefele and Helley but it will take another big piece if you want to dump Mrazek on them IMO.

Oh 100% I’m thinking Willy + mrazek + sandin/1st or kerf/Holl depending if they’re retooling or rebuilding.
I’d love to acquire that fiery big bodied guy who’s also young, but those aren’t traded away, ever. Schief even at his age is rare to see available

 

[Lemontree]

Ah.... Jared McCann would have certainly sealed the deal............?

You don't think McCann is a capable complimentary piece? Take a look at the player who scored TBay's game 7 goals......players like Jared McCann can absolutely be a difference in a closely contested series.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Its pretty clear from the interviews today that anything short of perhaps missing the playoffs (without a valid reason), is an acceptable ending to each season with all jobs safe, and minor changes around the edges coming.

Leafs were 4th overall last year and it meant nothing come playoff time even with home ice advantage.

The Leafs’s battle cry is “Stay The Course” mates. We’re in good hands with Shanny, Dubas and Keefe.

 

[killer1980]

Shieffle for Nylander is exactly the kind of move Id like to see made. Maybe some gm wouldnt have given Nylander that contract but they would now. This kind of swap works for both teams.....I like

I'd take that in a heartbeat but I doubt Winny would do it given what happened with Laine.

 

[rocketman588]

Dubas: finding pieces to work with Auston Mitch and William.

Did not mention John!

He is going to have to give up every draft pick and asset for the next decade to get rid of JT then somehow figure out how to get him to waive the no movement

nylander / kerfoot / muzzin should all be on the move and a revamped bottom 6

that to me isn't 'running it back' that's some real change that is needed.

Muzzin has a no move

 

[A1LeafNation]

He is going to have to give up every draft pick and asset for the next decade to get rid of JT then somehow figure out how to get him to waive the no movement

JT is owed 16.5m over the next 3 years.

5.5m for an 80 point #1C is desirable.

He's just not a #1C here because Matthews is better and gets the favorable zone starts...as he should.

 

[showtime8]

Dubas and Shanny came out and pretty much said, they won't make changes for the sake of changes.
Keefe defend his players.

What else do you expect them to come out and say?
Nobody is safe, we are going to rebuild again.
Some players are as good as gone because they don't fit into our team.

I don't expect them to come out and say what their exact plan is for the off-season, but they have come out for the 4th offseason in a row and said the same crap. I'm actually quite disappointed in their message.

From the way they made it sound, they are quadrupling down on this team's core. It's almost like their challenging the group to not lose in the same fashion next year, but hope they grow just a bit.

At some point, this fanbase is going to turn apathetic to the same old message.

I would have liked to hear that, this group is talented, but we think it's time to try different dynamics throughout the team. You don't have to say names. Just that we're not going to tolerate zero growth in results. I didn't get that feeling and I feel like they're going to sign the barrel guys hoping they can make a difference.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Keefe got destroyed by Cooper in media p.r. for however important that is, and predicting a violent series was a really dumb thing for Keefe to say. As if the league needed more of an incentive, that was an invitation to penalize us more. Next time, he needs to shut up.

If there's a way to get Hellebuyck here, gotta look at it.

Will we give up Nies, Bunting and Nylander for Hellebuyck and Scheifele?