Media Availability - End Of Season (2022)

[killer1980]

Great. Don’t forget both those guys were also fired.

Maybe that's what he meant.

 

[ToneDog]

Sign me up. But I doubt WPG even considers that

Willy + Mrazek (negative value) + for Schiefele + Hellebyuck - Winnipeg laughs at Kyle unless the Jets' GM has a bigger boner for Willie than some of Willie's fanboys

 

[The Masters]

They can make a splash & greatly change the look of the group and keep the big paid guys. There’s room if they’re willing to make some changes to the middle salary of the roster

not really. signing cheap guys for bottom 6 isnt a splash. Team has no money.

nylander and kerfoot are your biggest assets to trade. IMO you be aggressive and see what you get for those two. 2nd line needs a shake up especially with JT on downside. That's a shake up.

3rd and 4th lines Dubas will need to go hunting again for more Buntings and Kampfs but those deals are never easy.

 

[Dreakmur]

Well Babcock did have them on an 80pt pace at the us thanksgiving mark and they played considerably better afterwards, but they were still at the end of the day the team they were which was statistically tied with Columbus for the wc2 spot

The difference between Babcock's team and Keefe's team was the back-up goalies went like 0-6-1 for Babcock and 7-6-2 for Keefe.... but that didn't stop half the board from imagining that this team was elite under Keefe. That's where the idea that we were better than Columbus came from.

 

[Apex Predator]

I agree a bonafide #1 is key this summer, don’t see Willy being necessary to move to make that happen though.

A bonafide number 1 costs nylander. If not Nylander than a 1st plus Knies or Niemla to start.

 

[Trapper]

Obviously there’s a significant plus on our end, not sure which way Winnipeg wants to go with it either re tool or rebuild, maybe kerfoot maybe a first maybe Holl maybe a young guy like sandin or a combination of those cause I’m out to lunch on the values…. Schief would be a guy with fire from Ontario who would get what it means to be a leaf and succeed here. Helle is helle.

Getting Shief in return would be a huge statement for this team and fanbase with Nylander going back (as you say) in whatever manipulated deal. He has the fire and mean streak. Doesn’t like to lose and has been past the first round. Huge if it would happen.

 

[leafsfan5]

I don't know where you're getting your numbers from but these are the game 7 numbers from moneypuck and they say the Leafs played great in game 7. I only share these numbers because they match what I saw - Vasi played amazing and stole the game for them.

MoneyPuck.com

Real Time Hockey Win Probabilities In Game

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I used natural stat trick. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20212022&game=30127

My eye test showed me what I've seen in the past. We'd stay to the outside and couldn't get a ton of slot chances due to Tampa collapsing to the net. I thought Vasi was good, but he didn't need to be superhuman. The defense of Tampa made his job a lot easier with the numerous blocks. Throughout the 3rd when we pushed I didn't feel like we were generating a whole lot. It was dump ins, fighting for the puck which would lead to a low danger shot and a clear by the Bolts

Also, I mean isn't losing to Vasi an indictment on the way this team is structured? Like I get we went up against one of the best playoff goalies ever, but this team is supposed to be built on its elite offense and highflying talent. Yet, the most we've scored in a game 7 since 2019 is 1 goal!

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sign me up. But I doubt WPG even considers that

Obvious the plus is significant but depending on what way Winnipeg wants to go and they want to stay competitive Nylander is as good as they’d do as far as quality goes to base a package around, mrazek is simply cap and positional exchange and the surplus value would be based around the pluses. Maybe a young piece like sandin or middle roster guys like kerf or Holl if they want to compete next year. I think nylander and schief saw each other off value wise

 

[ToneDog]

The difference between Babcock's team and Keefe's team was the back-up goalies went like 0-6-1 for Babcock and 7-6-2 for Keefe.... but that didn't stop half the board from imagining that this team was elite under Keefe. That's where the idea that we were better than Columbus came from.

The boys checked out on Babcock the season Babs was turfed.

 

[myleafs]

So Dallas is going to give up oettinger or the rags shesterkin?
If we’re talking about moving Willy to improve all around how about Willy + Mrazek + for Schiefle + Hellebyuck

love it but we cant fit their salary cap in not to mention I think the Jets say hell no

 

[Nylanderthal]

A bonafide number 1 costs nylander. If not Nylander than a 1st plus Knies or Niemla to start.

Goalies don’t get traded for ppg forwards

 

[killer1980]

Willy + Mrazek (negative value) + for Schiefele + Hellebyuck - Winnipeg laughs at Kyle unless the Jets' GM has a bigger boner for Willie than some of Willie's fanboys

Winnepeg dumped Patrick Laine because he was a slacker and not nearly as big a one as Nylander,

 

[Community]

Haven't watched it yet. And what he says externally could be different when talking to Shanny given media pouncing on his core players based on something he said isn't ideal.

For his evaluation internally at MLSE, I'd be wondering what he thought of the "core's" performance the 3 prior years when evaluating them. Also goals aren't everything. Out of the 4 core forwards I liked Mitch a lot, Matthews was okay/good (i expected more heart from the Hart candidate), but Willy and Tavares left me wanting more from an effort/playoff hockey perspective.

Also, Dubas blaming the bottom of our roster is a little rich. If you look at goals or points per cap hit, our bottom players weren't bad. Tampa's top players weren't great. If Paul didn't score 2 goals in game 7, I'm not sure how much talk there'd be about Tampa's bottom 6 vs ours.

For 40.5M AAV and 574 mins of playing time our "Core 4" scored 12 goals and 30 points. That's 0.297 goals per Million and 0.74 points per million.

For 13.48M AAV and 719 mins of playing time our other forwards scored 7 goals and 20 points. That's 0.519 goals per Million and 1.48 points per million.

Only thing I'd like to have seen from our non-core 4 forwards: 2-3 additional goals from these guys

Bunting - probably 1 more point, ideally a goal. 1 Goal is a little low but he missed out blowout game 1 and may have been injured.

Spezza - 1 goal would have been great, but he had 40 mins of ice time.

Egnvall/Kase - had 3 points each, a goal would have been nice

Kerfoot - 1 goal, 1 assist is a little low


But getting 1 goal from Blackwell and 2 from each of Mikheyev + Kampf was good.

Remember that Mikheyevs 2 goals and Engvall's 2 assists were on an empty net. I'm a fan of Mikheyev's, but both Engvall and Mik were not good this series... More than just raw numbers to be considered.


Edit: You also say you would "only" like to see 2-3 more goals from our bottom 6 in this series... That most likely would've won the series for us.

 

[ACC1224]

The boys checked out on Babcock the season Babs was turfed.

Yep it had very little to do with Keefes coaching excellence but more to do with him not being an ass like Babcock.
Keefe has shown he can't take them the next step. A change there is sorely needed.

 

[ToneDog]

Winnepeg dumped Patrick Laine because he was a slacker and not nearly as big a one as Nylander,

But Williie's hair is so much better than Lainie's.

 

[Dreakmur]

The boys checked out on Babcock the season Babs was turfed.

100% agree. Dubas basically encouraged that. Still, their record with the #1 goalie in net didn't improve.

 

[Nylanderthal]

love it but we cant fit their salary cap in not to mention I think the Jets say hell no

They can easily fit that cap wise, wdym? Value wise of course it’s not a straight up two for two deal. (That’s what the +‘s mean)

 

[Suntouchable13]

The difference between Babcock's team and Keefe's team was the back-up goalies went like 0-6-1 for Babcock and 7-6-2 for Keefe.... but that didn't stop half the board from imagining that this team was elite under Keefe. That's where the idea that we were better than Columbus came from.

But you can agree that our talent was way better and we should have obliterated them. If you’re saying that we were on equal footing with CBJ that year, then what does that say about our supposed super talented core?

 

[Trapper]

Winnepeg dumped Patrick Laine because he was a slacker and not nearly as big a one as Nylander,

Plus Shief wants out. Teams might not be lining up with best offer. I’d make the call and see what they want. Doesn’t hurt to try.

 

[Just Rude]

So Dallas is going to give up oettinger or the rags shesterkin?
If we’re talking about moving Willy to improve all around how about Willy + Mrazek + for Schiefle + Hellebyuck

Sorry, why in God’s name would Winnipeg do that?

Mrazek has negative trade value. Why? Because he is shit.

 

[Nylanderthal]

But Williie's hair is so much better than Lainie's.

Willys a better player than laine, they also moved him to get back a big 1c who’s dad is a coach in the organization

 

[Dreakmur]

But you can agree that our talent was way better and we should have obliterated them. If you’re saying that we were on equal footing with CBJ that year, then what does that say about our supposed super talented core?

We had more offensive talent.... but our defence was bad, and we were soft, selfish, and uncommitted to playing the required structure to win.

 

[leafsfan5]

The problem with having such a large fanbase is it includes a large population of people who really don't understand sport.

The concerning part to me is it appears management is drinking this kool-aid as well

 

[Gary Nylund]

Do you want the guy JD Bunkis says gets body bagged in trades, trading any of our stars?? He traded Kadri for Kerfoot and a year of one o fthe worst dmen every to wear blue and white.

Don't know who Bunkis is and I can make up my own mind about how Dubas performs.

The Kadri trade was fine, not going to get into that debate all over again and Kerfoot's been a good player for us.

Dubas is also the guy that has completely revamped our D to the point where it's one of the best in the league. He added Brodie, Muzzin, Geo and Boosh was a great pickup as well. He also drafted Sandin which was a helluva pick.

Take a look at the roster today, and the roster when he took charge. The roster looks better today IMHO and I don't think it's particularly close either. If you think Andersen>Campbell then that's the only place we're weaker today but that defence, that's like 100% better than it was.

Again, you’re talking like this is 2018 or 2019. Matthews only has 2 more years on his contract. There has to be a sense of urgency to go all in NOW.

I agree. That's why I say we need to (urgently) find a #1 goalie, and I would probably be more willing to spend futures this coming year than in the past. I still don't like TDL deals in general though so I'd rather trade picks/prospects in the off-season to get what we need.

If we can somehow get the goalie we need and keep Nylander/Marner under the cap, that's what I'd do.

 

[killer1980]

But Williie's hair is so much better than Lainie's.

Not when they drafted him