McDonagh trade

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I'll speak for myself on this one.

I worked for the Rangers for 7 years. I've worked for the NHL, or with the NHL on projects, in some capacity for a good chink of the last 17 years.

As a result, you start to see a difference between what fans perceive, and what actually takes place. This includes scouting, trades, player personalities, etc.

Sometimes I agree with the Rangers, sometimes I don't.

The problem often is that people don't like a case-by-case approach. We live in a world where people want definitive, unwavering points of view that either predominately "for" or "against" a particular issue. As a result, sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you don't "dislike" something enough for the people who've made it their cross to bear, but you also don't "like" something enough for the people who are "all-in" on the concept.

So applying this to the McD trade, I find that depending on how the question is framed, my answer changes with it.

Do I believe the Rangers received fair market value for McD in 2018? Yes, I do. I think they got a good return for what McD was at that point, and the circumstances surrounding him.

Do I believe the trade assets will be a "win" for the Rangers long-term? Maybe/maybe not. I don't know the answer to that because the parts are still moving. There's an entire spectrum of grades this can fall upon based on what happens to any of the near half-dozen pieces the Rangers acquired as part of the deal. This includes their progress, how they're utilized (on the ice or via trade), etc. etc. That's a sliding scale based on results that haven't fully come in yet.

There are many topics to which this approach can apply.

For example, do I think Kakko was the right pick at second overall? Yes, I do. I can't say with a straight face that there was a more obvious choice there.

Will Kakko become the star player he was projected to be? Maybe/maybe not. I don't know the answer to that. I certainly think he will, but I can't say that with certainty. What if Dach turns out better? Does that mean we screwed up? What if Kakko is the fifth most successful player in the 2019 draft? That's still a success, but was it ultimately the right choice with the second pick?

Filip Chytil was a good pick at 21. But how does that change if he never takes the next step? What happens if Kailer Yamamoto picks up right where he left off this season?

Point being, there are different variables and framing mechanisms at work that can give you completely different answers.

It's not a matter of endorsing everything the Rangers do. It's a matter of trying to look at things objectively without having to embellish points to make them stick. And yes, I try really hard to avoid doing that.

There are plenty of other people who can provide hot takes, or make questionable accusations, or make bold proclamations that may or may not fully utilize proper context. But I really try not to duplicate those efforts.

Thank you for your reply. As I wrote, I think most of us on this board appreciate that people with insight to both the Rangers organisation and hockey in general posts on this board. As someone who only knows the game from watching and reading about it, I know that this is the main reason why I come here. And I understand that people who are "in the loop" (?), must be careful with what they write to stay in that loop.

However, in this tread you (and others) are just spinning. I copied your "sometimes I feel" because it is a classic way to spin. Starting with that phrase you can get away with almost everything. Usually to attach opinions to other posters which they do not have. And by doing so, move the topic that is being discussed in another direction.

Regarding the trade: Neither you, me (or Jeff Gorton) can say with certainty that the return for McDonagh would be worse, better or equal in july 2018 or TDL 2019 than it was when the trade was done. For some teams the situation can change dramatically in those months from the trade deadline to the summer. And Rangers last year is a great example of this.
 
Thank you for your reply. As I wrote, I think most of us on this board appreciate that people with insight to both the Rangers organisation and hockey in general posts on this board. As someone who only knows the game from watching and reading about it, I know that this is the main reason why I come here. And I understand that people who are "in the loop" (?), must be careful with what they write to stay in that loop.

However, in this tread you (and others) are just spinning. I copied your "sometimes I feel" because it is a classic way to spin. Starting with that phrase you can get away with almost everything. Usually to attach opinions to other posters which they do not have. And by doing so, move the topic that is being discussed in another direction.

Regarding the trade: Neither you, me (or Jeff Gorton) can say with certainty that the return for McDonagh would be worse, better or equal in july 2018 or TDL 2019 than it was when the trade was done. For some teams the situation can change dramatically in those months from the trade deadline to the summer. And Rangers last year is a great example of this.

I don’t really know what you think I’m spinning here. Within the scope of the McD trade, one framework gives me a definite answer, while the other is a wait and see approach.

I could you plenty of examples where I had a different opinion than the Rangers - a recent instance being the decision to move Brady Skjei. I felt that move significantly weakened our left side and I wouldn’t have made the deal at that particular point in time. But my response really depends on the topic.

You’re right, I can’t tell you for certain that the value of McD wouldn’t increase with time. But I can give you several logical reasons why I think it likely wouldn’t, and point to past precedent.

Ultimately, that’s what a lot of debates come down to. In a world of infinite possibilities and an ever evolving array of variables, we can make educated guesses and back it up with examples, or we can throw something out there that doesn’t really have a lot of examples. It’s possible the latter is correct, but it’s not probable. And the difference between possible and probable is fairly significant.
 
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Still going....
 
If Tampa Bay doesn't win a cup in the next 6 years and the Rangers get to the finals and/or win then wouldn't it be a successful trade? lol
 

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