Mcdavid 5min Match Penalty: Cross check to the face of Garland (Will have a hearing tomorrow afternoon, 1/20)

[Fataldogg]

$5k fine for McDavid. 2 games for Myers.

Suspending McDavid will interfere with his Art Ross aspirations. We can't have that.

 

[BiolaRunner]

I can't imagine these lead to multiple game suspensions. $5000 fine, or maybe one game each. I would be shocked if it was more than that.

McDavid has a history

 

[MXD]

McDavid probably gets away with a fine because Garland FAFO'ed

 

[charger66]

Curious in which world McDavid didn't have him pinned to the ice exactly like he did McDavid literally 1 second prior? Did he cross check McDavid in the head when he got up....maybe I missed it

 

[ManofSteel55]

McDavid has a history

But not a history that will be considered in this scenario. According to NHL rules, a player is considered a "repeat offender" if they have been suspended within the previous 18 months. McDavid's only other suspension came in 2019. Scenarios where punishment wasn't handed out - like the Mojo incident last week which was deemed non-punishable, can't be used as evidence.

 

[geebster]

Refs are supposed to be there to call things before it gets too heated. They failed to do so. This is on them. Can't fault McDavid for being angry that this hobbit is attached to him when his team is trying to win with 30 seconds left.

So if the police don't stop someone from keying my car it's their fault when I commit murder? I'm not responsible at all? Just going to leave my car in my neighbours driveway, brb.

 

[tfwnogf]

So if the police don't stop someone from keying my car it's their fault when I commit murder? I'm not responsible at all? Just going to leave my car in my neighbours driveway, brb.

Are you equating what McDavid did to murder? Wtf? Bit of a stretch there bud

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Hate McDavid
Hate the Oilers

but

If he can't defend himself when the league and officials won't call something then I am all for him doing stuff like this

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Refs are supposed to be there to call things before it gets too heated. They failed to do so. This is on them. Can't fault McDavid for being angry that this hobbit is attached to him when his team is trying to win with 30 seconds left.

The refs not calling a penalty isn’t a reasonable justification for hitting a player in the head with your stick on purpose lol objectively not a hockey play either.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Two minutes each.

 

[ManofSteel55]

So if the police don't stop someone from keying my car it's their fault when I commit murder? I'm not responsible at all? Just going to leave my car in my neighbours driveway, brb.

That's one way to look at it. I think what others are suggesting, is that if the refs had called the holding penalties, it wouldn't have escalated, just as if someone prevented your car from being keyed, you wouldn't have murdered someone in retaliation. While this argument is an attempt to shift blame somewhat to the officials, I don't think most are outright saying that McDavid and Myers hold no responsibility for their actions - just that if the refs had done their job, things wouldn't have escalated as they did. The ones who are suggesting it isn't McDavid's fault need to give their head a shake though.

 

[tfwnogf]

The refs not calling a penalty isn’t a reasonable justification for hitting a player in the head with your stick on purpose lol objectively not a hockey play either.

McDavid is showing that if you f*** with him, he'll strike back. I'd rather see a bit of emotion from him so the next time Garland thinks about giving him a hug on the ice, he'll remember that cross check to the neck didn't feel so nice.

 

[10YearsHaveGone]

Two games for McDavid and Myers is my guess. Myers should have more as his crosscheck was more forceful and unprovoked.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Two minutes each.

There were no sticks to the head here though.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

McDavid is showing that if you f*** with him, he'll strike back. I'd rather see a bit of emotion from him so the next time Garland thinks about giving him a hug on the ice, he'll remember that cross check to the neck didn't feel so nice.

That’s fine. You are allowed to like what he did….but he deserves a suspension for doing it lol

 

[ManofSteel55]

McDavid is showing that if you f*** with him, he'll strike back. I'd rather see a bit of emotion from him so the next time Garland thinks about giving him a hug on the ice, he'll remember that cross check to the neck didn't feel so nice.

We can like what he did for the reasons above, but we also have to acknowledge that he crossed a line and should get a fair punishment for it. I don't mind McDavid pushing back, but he has to be careful to not go over the line.

 

[tfwnogf]

That’s fine. You are allowed to like what he did….but he deserves a suspension for doing it lol

We can like what he did for the reasons above, but we also have to acknowledge that he crossed a line and should get a fair punishment for it. I don't mind McDavid pushing back, but he has to be careful to not go over the line.

Oh I'm fine with the suspension, but do I think he was wrong to do it? Hell no. If he doesn't do what he did, players will see that weakness as a green light to f*** with him. Sometimes a little suspension is worth it.

 

[geebster]

Are you equating what McDavid did to murder? Wtf? Bit of a stretch there bud

When someone makes an analogy they are comparing the relationship between two things. They aren't comparing the two things directly or saying they are the same or "equal" as you put it.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Oh I'm fine with the suspension, but do I think he was wrong to do it? Hell no. If he doesn't do what he did, players will see that weakness as a green light to f*** with him. Sometimes a little suspension is worth it.

I understand your position here, but could it not also lead to more players screwing with McDavid in hopes that he takes a suspension?

 

[geebster]

That's one way to look at it. I think what others are suggesting, is that if the refs had called the holding penalties, it wouldn't have escalated, just as if someone prevented your car from being keyed, you wouldn't have murdered someone in retaliation. While this argument is an attempt to shift blame somewhat to the officials, I don't think most are outright saying that McDavid and Myers hold no responsibility for their actions - just that if the refs had done their job, things wouldn't have escalated as they did. The ones who are suggesting it isn't McDavid's fault need to give their head a shake though.

That was a joke to highlight the problem in what the guy I was responded to said. I've posted in here several times giving the same perspective. If the refs don't let Bouchard get away with taking Pettersson out of the play with a hold 2 zones away from the puck earlier in that shift, then that same braindead ref doesn't watch Garland holding McDavid and go "well I didn't call that one so I can't call this". Game management is stupid and it's how you end up with escalation.

Bouchard shouldn't be allowed to hold a guy because his team is 1 goal back late in the game.

Garland shouldn't be allowed to hold a guy because you didn't call Bouchard that same shift.

Period.

But nothing about any of that let's you crosscheck someone in the head. In every single egregious dirty play in history the guy doing it thinks he's justified in his head. He was mad about a missed call or something that was said etc. Having a reason to be mad doesn't make acting out OK.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

But not a history that will be considered in this scenario. According to NHL rules, a player is considered a "repeat offender" if they have been suspended within the previous 18 months. McDavid's only other suspension came in 2019. Scenarios where punishment wasn't handed out - like the Mojo incident last week which was deemed non-punishable, can't be used as evidence.

Not according to Friedman who had some other explanation for it.

 

[tfwnogf]

I understand your position here, but could it not also lead to more players screwing with McDavid in hopes that he takes a suspension?

Imo it's worth the risk. I'm sure after this McDavid will be reflecting on his actions. I think players are always gonna try and knock him off his game. So he'll have to work on not giving into frustration. But I understand why he was so frustrated in that situation.

When someone makes an analogy they are comparing the relationship between two things. They aren't comparing the two things directly or saying they are the same or "equal" as you put it.

Your "analogy" wasn't worth a serious reply.

 

[Bond]

I understand your position here, but could it not also lead to more players screwing with McDavid in hopes that he takes a suspension?

He needs to retaliate in a way that isn’t cross checking a guy in the face then.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

1 game suspension nothing more. Garland played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. No one deserves to be cross-checked in the face, but even he wasnt surprised he got a face full of stick

Lots of classic pearl clutching in here. Reminds me of when I was a Crosby hater at the beginning of his career. Reading these posts just made me realized how corny I sounded lol.

He needs to retaliate in a way that isn’t cross checking a guy in the face then.

He does that literally every other game. Dude gets mauled and rarely ever reacts. This was egregious and he reacted egregiously.

 

[Three On Zero]

Sure, because it refutes everything you’re parading in this thread.

Garland’s hold as per his own words is McDavid’s fault and Canuck fans remain the brightest on these boards.

Luckily the videos been posted numerous times and everyone is free to see the truth, they don’t need either of our parading