Matthews more Goals or Stutzle more Points?

[KaN19]

Auston Matthews has 48 goals so far this season, Tim Stuzle has 49 points. Who finishes with the higher total?

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[Coffee]

Not sure but next year Kyle Connor beats them both

 

[IPS]

Voted Laine. Better than Matthews IMO.

 

[wetcoast]

But Stuzle is on a better contract right?

 

[bert]

But Stuzle is on a better contract right?

Was Stutzles 39 goals and 90 points last year in his 20 year old season bad? Or is his 49 points in 51 games this year also shitty? I guess he's just trash eh. In matthews 20 year old season he had 63 points in 62 games. Then 68 in 73 in his 21 year old year. He's the only one capable of improving I guess.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Was Stutzles 39 goals and 90 points last year in his 20 year old season bad? Or is his 49 points in 51 games this year also shitty? I guess he's just trash eh. In matthews 20 year old season he had 63 points in 62 games. Then 68 in 73 in his 21 year old year. He's the only one capable of improving I guess.

Matthews had 73 in 68 in his D+3 and 80 in 70 (including 47 goals) in his D+4.

Stutzles was born in January so its not like he was exactly young for his draft class. Matthews and Stutzle would actually only have be 4 months apart if they would have been in the same draft.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Stutzle points.

But but he makes about a #4 D worth less money!

 

[Breakers]

The last matthews stutzle thread had over 6,000 pages

So this should be a beauty.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Alright alright leave em alone. I'm sure they've learned their lesson.

 

[Kuz]

Matthews had 73 in 68 in his D+3 and 80 in 70 (including 47 goals) in his D+4.

Stutzles was born in January so its not like he was exactly young for his draft class. Matthews and Stutzle would actually only have be 4 months apart if they would have been in the same draft.

Matthews is definitively the better player. Still they have started quite close.

Stutzle has 177 points in 210 games. Matthews 205 in 212 games in the first 3 seasons. Stutzle probably had the best season of those 6 seasons in his third season. While Matthews had the better D+1 and D+2 seasons. Looks like Matthews will have the better D+4 season aswell. I can see Stutzle matching or do a little better than Matthews in D+5 and D+7, but would surprise me if he matches or comes close to the D+6 and D+8 seasons (current Matthews season).

Still as some say contractwise you can argue Stutzle is on a contract as good or better than Matthews. The difference is pretty much would you take Matthews+3rd pairing defenceman (1 mill) or Stutzle+2nd pairing defenceman (4,3 mill). Or Matthews+2nd pairing defenceman (4 mill) or Stutzle+1st pairing defenceman (7,3 mill).

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Matthews is definitively the better player. Still they have started quite close.

Stutzle has 177 points in 210 games. Matthews 205 in 212 games in the first 3 seasons. Stutzle probably had the best season of those 6 seasons in his third season. While Matthews had the better D+1 and D+2 seasons. Looks like Matthews will have the better D+4 season aswell. I can see Stutzle matching or do a little better than Matthews in D+5 and D+7, but would surprise me if he matches or comes close to the D+6 and D+8 seasons (current Matthews season).

Still as some say contractwise you can argue Stutzle is on a contract as good or better than Matthews. The difference is pretty much would you take Matthews+3rd pairing defenceman (1 mill) or Stutzle+2nd pairing defenceman (4,3 mill). Or Matthews+2nd pairing defenceman (4 mill) or Stutzle+1st pairing defenceman (7,3 mill).

Matthews won the rocket and was 2nd in both Hart and Lindsay Trophy voting in his D+5 year. Doubt Stutzle comes close to matching that either.

 

[dirtydanglez]

a figurative crosscheck to the face to go with the literal one.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Man, some leafs fans really need this

 

[Kuz]

Matthews won the rocket and was 2nd in both Hart and Lindsay Trophy voting in his D+5 year. Doubt Stutzle comes close to matching that either.

Yeah I agree he will probably struggle to match Matthews D+5. Would have to pass 110 points (with 50 goals) in a full season to be close. Matthews where on 104 point pace that year with a rocket win.

Dont see Stutzle ever being a top 3 player in the league, but I can see him being top 10.

 

[Peasy]

Was Stutzles 39 goals and 90 points last year in his 20 year old season bad? Or is his 49 points in 51 games this year also shitty? I guess he's just trash eh. In matthews 20 year old season he had 63 points in 62 games. Then 68 in 73 in his 21 year old year. He's the only one capable of improving I guess.

The cope is real.

@ me when Stutzle can win an individual award

Stutzle aint got nothing on Matthews.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yeah I agree he will probably struggle to match Matthews D+5. Would have to pass 110 points (with 50 goals) in a full season to be close. Matthews where on 104 point pace that year with a rocket win.

Dont see Stutzle ever being a top 3 player in the league, but I can see him being top 10.

he wont need to be top 3 to be better than matthews. top 5 maybe

 

[Kuz]

he wont need to be top 3 to be better than matthews. top 5 maybe

Matthews has seasons he is a top 3 player. So to be better than Matthews he have to be top 3 at least in some seasons. Relative to contract you might argue he only need to be top 10 or perhaps lower.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Matthews has seasons he is a top 3 player. So to be better than Matthews he have to be top 3 at least in some seasons. Relative to contract you might argue he only need to be top 10 or perhaps lower.

consistency is more important to me. stutzle would have to come close to being a top 5 player to be considered. i dont see it but stutzle will do fine.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Voted Laine. Better than Matthews IMO.

Don't forget Tage Thompson. Absolutely steamrolled Matthews in a poll.

 

[wetcoast]

Was Stutzles 39 goals and 90 points last year in his 20 year old season bad? Or is his 49 points in 51 games this year also shitty? I guess he's just trash eh. In matthews 20 year old season he had 63 points in 62 games. Then 68 in 73 in his 21 year old year. He's the only one capable of improving I guess.

The last sentence is something to hang onto and I can't wait for the offseason threads.

Look it's great that there a rivalry in Ontario but that thread had some Sense fans acting rather pompously and frankly it's a good look on them right now.

Maybe next year eh?

 

[bert]

The cope is real.

@ me when Stutzle can win an individual award

Stutzle aint got nothing on Matthews.

Cope? I know Matthews is better. But these gotcha Stutzle threads are embarrassing. Look at the players he's being compared to. Just a sliding scale of what bar people want to use to evaluate.

 

[bert]

Matthews had 73 in 68 in his D+3 and 80 in 70 (including 47 goals) in his D+4.

Stutzles was born in January so its not like he was exactly young for his draft class. Matthews and Stutzle would actually only have be 4 months apart if they would have been in the same draft.

Matthews had a full year of pro as an 18 year old and is a late birthday and was physically developed at a young age. Let's not act like he lost development time. Stutzle lost Half his 17 year old year to the pandemic.

Matthews is a true super star and better than Stutzle. But these threads coming at Stutzle like he's no good are sad. He's having a terrible year on a team full of turmoil and still almost producing at a ppg. He's also battling an injury.

He had an insane 20 year old season. It's not like he's done developing.

 

[DitchMarner]

This thread is pretty much beating a dead horse, but maybe some people who posted in that Stutzle/Matthews thread really should have listened instead of going on and on.


I THINK STUTZLE IZ ALREADY BETTAH AND HE MAKZ LESS MONEYZ!!!!

 

[34]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Matthews had a full year of pro as an 18 year old and is a late birthday and was physically developed at a young age. Let's not act like he lost development time. Stutzle lost Half his 17 year old year to the pandemic.

Matthews is a true super star and better than Stutzle. But these threads coming at Stutzle like he's no good are sad. He's having a terrible year on a team full of turmoil and still almost producing at a ppg. He's also battling an injury.

He had an insane 20 year old season. It's not like he's done developing.

Stutzle had played more games in a pro league before being draft than Matthews had and let's not pretend that Stutzle wasn't physically matured either at 6'1 185.