Injury Report: Matthews day to day

[bax]

How long did Muzzin skate for before he returned to action? Many NHL guys skate for months before they return to action. Eichel was skating for a long long time before he debuted for Vegas. Skating means very little. You can check the dates below. If Eichel was a Leaf, some would've had him ready to go on December 2nd.

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Practicing not just skating. Obviously skating doesn’t mean as much. Lot of video of him shooting as well. The poster I asked the question to was claiming he had a shoulder and wrist injury

Edit: You’re right just skating not full practicing.

 

[crump]

Probably a muscle strain or bruise. He looks fine in those videos, he’d probably be playing if he had to.

 

[riffle]

When it comes to Leafs and injuries, I have similar feelings on their dishonesty as @saffronleaf

This team has been up against the cap so tight, for years, and fans honestly think it just all magically works out year after year? The Leafs play incredible games with injury statuses to remain compliant. So, there is a track record there. They constantly obfuscate on injuries. It has become a mode of operation for them. That needs to be made clear.

Second, this is a team who played Zach Hyman for gameS with a torn ACL. So, when you hear they wouldn't allow so and so to even skate if they were... that's nonsense. They played a guy with a torn ACL and said nothing.

Watch Keefe's body language when he speaks about Auston. Didn't see him today, but after the Flyers game he was swaying like a The Weather Channel reporter during a hurricane. Some discount things like body language but these things are important. It was clear Keefe was very uncomfortable speaking on Auston. Every time I've seen him speak his words preach calm but his body language says something 180.

What is sure to happen is once Auston plays, a throng will say SEE! I told you it wasn't that bad! It was minor. Those same people will be like everyone else...not knowing what was actually wrong in the first place and whether it can be tweaked/exacerbated by playing.

The bottom line is he's injured enough to miss 3 games. Sure, I have no doubt he could play if this was the playoffs. See: Zach Hyman

 

[saffronleaf]

Why? Such an absurd comment. Keefe has said that if this was a playoff game, Matthews would be playing - but because these games don't matter, rather just rest him.

Probably just bruised up

does that really give you much solace? bergeron was playing with a punctured lung and hyman with a torn acl.

 

[AuraSphere]

does that really give you much solace? bergeron was playing with a punctured lung and hyman with a torn acl.

I guess - but you can just tell based off the interviews with both Matthews/Keefe that it really doesn't seem like much and is more so just precaution and better to rest him.

Hell I say when matthews comes back - probably sunday, sit tavares/rielly for a couple. Marner probably wants to hit the 100pts tho


I know landeskog was injured, but Rantanen didn't play last night vs Seattle as well. I think Avs are taking a similar approach

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It’s just extremely disappointing and frustrating. The man was on a roll, well on his way to an MVP season, and once again he gets hurt somehow. Like Christ it was minor enough that no one noticed or can even pinpoint when it happened but it’s serious enough to keep him out for 3 games? One of which has major standings implications?

f*** off. I don’t care that the Leafs are being cryptic about it but I’m not going to sit here and act like everything is fine. If things were fine he’d be playing. Sitting him out for rest should only happen in like the last two games of the season, not with two weeks left.

 

[notbias]

It’s just extremely disappointing and frustrating. The man was on a roll, well on his way to an MVP season, and once again he gets hurt somehow. Like Christ it was minor enough that no one noticed or can even pinpoint when it happened but it’s serious enough to keep him out for 3 games? One of which has major standings implications?

f*** off. I don’t care that the Leafs are being cryptic about it but I’m not going to sit here and act like everything is fine. If things were fine he’d be playing. Sitting him out for rest should only happen in like the last two games of the season, not with two weeks left.

No game has major standings implications, at least not for the Leafs

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

No game has major standings implications, at least not for the Leafs

If you want to pretend that Tampa can't still catch Toronto that's your business. I however would prefer to go for the kill tonight so to speak and make it virtually impossible for them to catch us.

 

[notbias]

When it comes to Leafs and injuries, I have similar feelings on their dishonesty as @saffronleaf

This team has been up against the cap so tight, for years, and fans honestly think it just all magically works out year after year? The Leafs play incredible games with injury statuses to remain compliant. So, there is a track record there. They constantly obfuscate on injuries. It has become a mode of operation for them. That needs to be made clear.

Second, this is a team who played Zach Hyman for gameS with a torn ACL. So, when you hear they wouldn't allow so and so to even skate if they were... that's nonsense. They played a guy with a torn ACL and said nothing.

Watch Keefe's body language when he speaks about Auston. Didn't see him today, but after the Flyers game he was swaying like a The Weather Channel reporter during a hurricane. Some discount things like body language but these things are important. It was clear Keefe was very uncomfortable speaking on Auston. Every time I've seen him speak his words preach calm but his body language says something 180.

What is sure to happen is once Auston plays, a throng will say SEE! I told you it wasn't that bad! It was minor. Those same people will be like everyone else...not knowing what was actually wrong in the first place and whether it can be tweaked/exacerbated by playing.

The bottom line is he's injured enough to miss 3 games. Sure, I have no doubt he could play if this was the playoffs. See: Zach Hyman

"No one will know what was wrong"

"Look at Keefe swaying in a post-game interview, clearly it is bad"

He's injured enough to miss 3 pointless games, it isn't like these games mean much.

I will continue to take the Leafs' word for it that it is not that serious instead of an amateur body language expert.

 

[riffle]

This one is mostly for @saffronleaf ...

Remember, when Tavares went down vs. MTL in the playoffs? Why didn't he play again in the series? Was it the Leafs being cautious with his head injury? Or, was it the knee injury the staff gave him in the way they handled him? I won't post the video, but you can see it, clearly, that Tavares bends incredibly awkwardly with the staff right there on the ice. His knee is injured in that and that injury is kind of mentioned as a throwaway. I believe that is why he didn't play again in that series. Not the head injury. His knee was giving him too much issue.

To this day, I think the majority believe Tavares was out due to his concussion. I don't. Like I've said previously, guys in the NFL take wicked shots like that all the time and return to practice just days later to play for the next Sunday.

The Leafs would have you believe they care so much about their guys that they'll forego winning over concern for their captain's long-term health, when the real reason was their own staff caused a knee injury that shelved him. Imagine if the focus had actually been on that and not the other thing.

 

[notbias]

If you want to pretend that Tampa can't still catch Toronto that's your business. I however would prefer to go for the kill tonight so to speak and make it virtually impossible for them to catch us.

There is like a 99% chance we finish second

 

[Sypher04]

Anyone suggesting he'll be just fine is doing the same. All we know is it is a new injury he's never dealt with before. No track record to know how he'll rebound from it.

Will he be back in the lineup soon? Probably. Will he be compromised over and above the typical..."everyone is dealing with something at this point in the season" kind of a thing?

Given the secrecy regarding this injury it lends itself to speculation in all directions. To claim one direction of speculation is the correct and true path is misguided, in my view.

Is this going to hamper him in the playoffs? Is it something that can be easily tweaked? So much we don't know so speculate away in any direction of your choosing.

Except thats not true. We’ve been told it’s minor so there is backing for stating he’ll be fine, while those speculating it’s worse do so in the face of what we know from the team

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

There is like a 99% chance we finish second

99 ain't 100. These Leafs have beefed it plenty of times before when the odds are in their favour.

 

[notbias]

99 ain't 100. These Leafs have beefed it plenty of times before when the odds are in their favour.

4 points is the number to clinch, if Tampa loses out on 4 points or we gain 4 points, we clinch, any combination that is equal to 4 points is what it will take, and for Boston it is 3.

It seems highly unlikely that a scenario like that will happen, would take some extreme runs to end the season.

 

[riffle]

"No one will know what was wrong"

"Look at Keefe swaying in a post-game interview, clearly it is bad"

He's injured enough to miss 3 pointless games, it isn't like these games mean much.

I will continue to take the Leafs' word for it that it is not that serious instead of an amateur body language expert.

You're free to believe anyone of your choosing as I am free to disbelieve.

Not sure you have much evidence to present as far as what you're basing your belief on but you're still entitled to it.

I would ask you a few rhetoricals...

Were you one who thought Auston would miss just one game?

After he missed his second did you believe he'd be back for Tampa?

 

[notbias]

You're free to believe anyone of your choosing as I am free to disbelieve.

Not sure you have much evidence to present as far as what you're basing your belief on but you're still entitled to it.

I would ask you a few rhetoricals...

Were you one who thought Auston would miss just one game?

After he missed his second did you believe he'd be back for Tampa?

Had no opinion. They said it was minor, which I believe and I believe that means it is a couple of days to a week. As the games get less meaningful the less I cared how long he was out and him being out during meaningless games does not mean much to the original day-to-day diagnoses.

 

[DarkKnight]

The worst part might be seeing Abruzzese on the top line again.

 

[riffle]

The worst part might be seeing Abruzzese on the top line again.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Cha-ching for me.

 

[Sypher04]

This one is mostly for @saffronleaf ...

Remember, when Tavares went down vs. MTL in the playoffs? Why didn't he play again in the series? Was it the Leafs being cautious with his head injury? Or, was it the knee injury the staff gave him in the way they handled him? I won't post the video, but you can see it, clearly, that Tavares bends incredibly awkwardly with the staff right there on the ice. His knee is injured in that and that injury is kind of mentioned as a throwaway. I believe that is why he didn't play again in that series. Not the head injury. His knee was giving him too much issue.

To this day, I think the majority believe Tavares was out due to his concussion. I don't. Like I've said previously, guys in the NFL take wicked shots like that all the time and return to practice just days later to play for the next Sunday.

The Leafs would have you believe they care so much about their guys that they'll forego winning over concern for their captain's long-term health, when the real reason was their own staff caused a knee injury that shelved him. Imagine if the focus had actually been on that and not the other thing.

Lol utter nonsense. Tavares’ knee injury was a definite factor, and I believe also the reason he didn’t return to the series, but he suffered it on the knee on knee, not some made up moment of staff negligence

You’ve gone full tin foil hat over Matthews resting a minor injury for 3 games

 

[riffle]

Had no opinion. They said it was minor, which I believe and I believe that means it is a couple of days to a week. As the games get less meaningful the less I cared how long he was out and him being out during meaningless games does not mean much to the original day-to-day diagnoses.

We're past "couple of days" territory already. If you were trusting of the org, you would've believed Auston was back after missing the Isles game. That is what Keefe tried selling to the fanbase and media. It was minor. Just going to rest him. That has now become more excuses, and uncomfortably looking in the telling, and yet more excuses.

Is it minor? Of course, I don't know. No reason to trust the Leafs. Zach Hyman and JT from last year linger for me.

 

[Mr_Fun]

And so what is the point of telling everyone that AM is fine when he's really got a serious injury? If Leafs brass are doing this (which I don't believe for a second), what's their end game?

 

[The90]

When it comes to Leafs and injuries, I have similar feelings on their dishonesty as @saffronleaf

This team has been up against the cap so tight, for years, and fans honestly think it just all magically works out year after year? The Leafs play incredible games with injury statuses to remain compliant. So, there is a track record there. They constantly obfuscate on injuries. It has become a mode of operation for them. That needs to be made clear.

Second, this is a team who played Zach Hyman for gameS with a torn ACL. So, when you hear they wouldn't allow so and so to even skate if they were... that's nonsense. They played a guy with a torn ACL and said nothing.

Watch Keefe's body language when he speaks about Auston. Didn't see him today, but after the Flyers game he was swaying like a The Weather Channel reporter during a hurricane. Some discount things like body language but these things are important. It was clear Keefe was very uncomfortable speaking on Auston. Every time I've seen him speak his words preach calm but his body language says something 180.

What is sure to happen is once Auston plays, a throng will say SEE! I told you it wasn't that bad! It was minor. Those same people will be like everyone else...not knowing what was actually wrong in the first place and whether it can be tweaked/exacerbated by playing.

The bottom line is he's injured enough to miss 3 games. Sure, I have no doubt he could play if this was the playoffs. See: Zach Hyman

Glass half Full kinda guy, huh?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Some people are just manufacturing panic. It's concerning that something is lingering and bothering him to the point where he can't play, but there's no need to panic. If he misses game 1 of the playoffs, then panic by all means

 

[riffle]

Lol utter nonsense. Tavares’ knee injury was a definite factor, and I believe also the reason he didn’t return to the series, but he suffered it on the knee on knee, not some made up moment of staff negligence

You’ve gone full tin foil hat over Matthews resting a minor injury for 3 games

Nice to see we have some common ground. The knee, not the head, is why we didn't see JT again. Yet, the org has the cover of looking like they cared about their player, when that is not why we didn't see him.

We will not see eye-to-eye on this, ever. We can all see the clip. Tavares bends in a way humans are not supposed to when he was concussed. It was a BRUTAL handling of a concussed player. Not the image they're trying to project, for sure. If you don't think the knee injury occurred there or was exacerbated by that, again, fine. But, no way to argue the Leafs med staff bungled his situation badly. That received ZERO press and it sure should've.

There is not a thing I've said I "know" about Matthews injury. It might be minor. I don't know. I'm playing devil's advocate for all those who insist it is minor with absolutely no knowledge they're correct, rather, relying on wishful thinking.

 

[riffle]

Some people are just manufacturing panic. It's concerning that something is lingering and bothering him to the point where he can't play, but there's no need to panic. If he misses game 1 of the playoffs, then panic by all means

I don't understand this mentality. Nobody, even the ones suggesting he's FUBAR'd, think Matthews won't play in Game 1. That is completely different than not being the player he normally is because of whatever this current injury is.

It should be no comfort Matthews is back for Game 1, if he's significantly impacted by whatever this injury is. That is where the concern lies for me and I think many others. Never forget the Hyman situation. Sure, Zach was there playing and everyone felt good that he was, but he was compromised with a torn ACL. We had no clue on Zach's injury. We do have a clue on Matthews, in that, we know that he is injured.