Value of: Matt Grzelcyk

[Clint Eastwood]

Bruins have on LD:

Hampus Lindholm: 6.5M
Mike Reilly: 3M
Matt Grzelcyk: 3.7M
Derek Forbort: 3M
Jakub Zboril*: 1.1M

*Zboril has played a lot on his right side but he's still a lefty nevertheless.

Lindholm is obviously staying. Forbort is probably locking down our 3rd pair after his terrific playoff series against the Canes. That leaves Reilly or Grzelcyk to be moved. Reilly was just signed last year and outplayed Grzelcyk as Grizz had a terrible postseason. You can't have a 3M dman regularly riding pine especially with some cap restraints.

He's a terrific puck mover, terrific skater, a regular season top 4 D, a postseason 3rd pair D. He's undersized and has a history to that leading to injuries. I do not know his value.

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[WangMustGo]

I think the isles would be interested in him, dont know what the Bruins would want back though.

 

[burstnbloom]

I think the isles would be interested in him, dont know what the Bruins would want back though.

2 2'nds.

Oh shit.

 

[Djp]

2 2'nds.

Oh shit.

hes nowhere near worth that given his cap hit, physical size, injury history. and playoff benching.

he’s more suited as part of a bigger trade of multiple players or he’s traded for a forward with close cap/ term remains.

he’s a bottom pair Dman where 1/3 of points come from PP time.

 

[Beesfan]

hes nowhere near worth that given his cap hit, physical size, injury history. and playoff benching.

he’s more suited as part of a bigger trade of multiple players or he’s traded for a forward with close cap/ term remains.

he’s a bottom pair Dman where 1/3 of points come from PP time.

Grzelcyk is legitimately worth one 2nd, and I think he is going to be traded for exactly that in the offseason.

 

[kabidjan18]

I would avoid Grzelcyk if at all possible...

 

[TooMuchMan]

Grzelcyk is waaaaay better than some of you are positing. He was INJURED in the postseason and is decidedly one of the best retrieval/transition specialists in the game.

Does he have holes? Sure. You can't park him on the PK save for emergencies and you have to hold your breath when he's hemmed-in against sustained pressure, but he's one of the smoothest skaters and best first-pass makers in the whole league. That's supremely valuable in today's game.

I like Rielly but I'd take Grz on my team over him seven days a week and twice on Sundays. He's not a prototypical first-pairing guy but if he's on the second pairing with a solid in-zone guy, you're golden.

I think the Bruins would be wise to trade him sometimes in the next calendar year, but if the offers are going to be a second or two seconds, I'd laugh and hang up.

 

[McGarnagle]

Analytically when paired with a true #1 (i.e. McAvoy, and even Chara back in around 2018 or so), he is extremely effective and valuable. Maybe he's not what he was in 2019-2020 due to injuries, but he has to have some value out there. When he's with a partner whose style does not mesh well with like Carlo, the pair struggles mightily.

I do think the Bruins are right to move on and cash in while his value is still high though. They don't have any reason to buy in for 2023, they can get by with Reilly/Zboril on the 3rd pair LD and work in some prospects along the way.

 

[burstnbloom]

hes nowhere near worth that given his cap hit, physical size, injury history. and playoff benching.

he’s more suited as part of a bigger trade of multiple players or he’s traded for a forward with close cap/ term remains.

he’s a bottom pair Dman where 1/3 of points come from PP time.

<insert "the joke - you" meme >

 

[seafoam]

2 2'nds.

Oh shit.

That trade still haunts me...anyway back for Grzelcyk, NYI is down quite a few picks in this draft so I am not sure they will have the ammo to acquire him if BOS is looking for top 96 picks. I think they are more likely to move one of their expendable forwards which I don't think BOS really has a need for at the moment.

I do like Grzelyck though as someone they can pair with Dobson in the top four on opening night, and if they want an upgrade on him at the deadline he'd still look nice next to 6'5" Mayfield on their third pairing.

 

[burstnbloom]

That trade still haunts me...anyway back for Grzelcyk, NYI is down quite a few picks in this draft so I am not sure they will have the ammo to acquire him if BOS is looking for top 96 picks. I think they are more likely to move one of their expendable forwards which I don't think BOS really has a need for at the moment.

I do like Grzelyck though as someone they can pair with Dobson in the top four on opening night, and if they want an upgrade on him at the deadline he'd still look nice next to 6'5" Mayfield on their third pairing.

With the news coming out yesterday of him playing with a shoulder dislocation for the last 4+ months and surgery that will take him through the start of the season, I don't think he's the guy that gets moved.

Can I interest you in a slightly used Mike Reilly or a Derek Forbort with many bruises on his legs?

 

[seafoam]

With the news coming out yesterday of him playing with a shoulder dislocation for the last 4+ months and surgery that will take him through the start of the season, I don't think he's the guy that gets moved.

Can I interest you in a slightly used Mike Reilly or a Derek Forbort with many bruises on his legs?

No thanks to either of those. I do wonder if NYI would be interested in DeBrusk however, maybe Wahlstrom for DeBrusk straight up?

 

[burstnbloom]

No thanks to either of those. I do wonder if NYI would be interested in DeBrusk however, maybe Wahlstrom for DeBrusk straight up?

He's from New England and played at BC so Sweeney would probably throw in a first.

 

[Yeti34]

With the news coming out yesterday of him playing with a shoulder dislocation for the last 4+ months and surgery that will take him through the start of the season, I don't think he's the guy that gets moved.

Can I interest you in a slightly used Mike Reilly or a Derek Forbort with many bruises on his legs?

Forbort was one of the few bright spots this post season.

 

[wintersej]

No thanks to either of those. I do wonder if NYI would be interested in DeBrusk however, maybe Wahlstrom for DeBrusk straight up?

In seriousness, I think the Bruins need to understand what is going on with Bergeron and the Vancouver and WPG center situations before they do anything. DeBrusk did not rescind his trade request when talking to the media, but also didn't restate that it was still in effect. If DeBrusk decides he wants to stay, that is probably the better scenario for Boston (although Wahlstrom's cap hit would be appealing).

 

[burstnbloom]

Forbort was one of the few bright spots this post season.

nothing shines brighter than 32% xG. Let's just say we disagree.

 

[wintersej]

nothing shines brighter than 32% xG. Let's just say we disagree.

He WAS good on the PK. I dunno, I am more sympathetic to your view of the world, but I do think you need some of these role players that might disappoint you at evens but can anchor a special team group. Do they need him now that they have Lindholm, though?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

In seriousness, I think the Bruins need to understand what is going on with Bergeron and the Vancouver and WPG center situations before they do anything. DeBrusk did not rescind his trade request when talking to the media, but also didn't restate that it was still in effect. If DeBrusk decides he wants to stay, that is probably the better scenario for Boston (although Wahlstrom's cap hit would be appealing).

Bruins should be making a C move anyways. Bergeron wasn't enough. Even if we get Bergeron back, we need help down the middle.

Bergeron comes back, you move other salary to make room.

I mean, most would think Sweeney would learn from his mistakes (waiting on Krejci to make a C decision then not doing anything worthwhile), but he also continues to sign guys to big contracts and pays to move them.

 

[wintersej]

Bruins should be making a C move anyways. Bergeron wasn't enough. Even if we get Bergeron back, we need help down the middle.

Bergeron comes back, you move other salary to make room.

I mean, most would think Sweeney would learn from his mistakes (waiting on Krejci to make a C decision then not doing anything worthwhile), but he also continues to sign guys to big contracts and pays to move them.

Hey at least they are short term contracts now!

 

[burstnbloom]

He WAS good on the PK. I dunno, I am more sympathetic to your view of the world, but I do think you need some of these role players that might disappoint you at evens but can anchor a special team group. Do they need him now that they have Lindholm, though?

I dont know. Their PK was kinda middling and bad on the road. His 9 blocks in 6 minutes on 14 shot attempts is not actually very good. I think that the Bruins have a pretty good defensive structure on the PK and they play guys like Carlo and Forbort there because those are "penalty kill guys." But its pretty obvious how much time they spent desperately funneled into the box without any ability to win a puck battle and get it out. It's a skill that is tremendously overvalued.

 

[PlayMakers]

Grzelcyk had a 59.26% Corsi and a 59.17% xG in the playoffs.

The Bruins outshot Carolina 48-33 at ES when he was on the ice, for a 59% shot differential. That was good for 4th best on the team, behind behind Bergeron, Marchand and McAvoy who all played together. Gryz played mostly with the Haula line, who had a negative shot differential in the series.

He does get outmuscled, which drives Bruins fans insane, and that certainly presents some limitations in how they use him. He was on the ice for 6 ES goals against in the series, same as McAvoy, but Grzelcyk didn't or couldn't bring anything offensively to offset the goals against.

He did play with a dislocated shoulder that requires surgery, and that certainly hampered him. He didn't look as dynamic in the offensive zone and I don't think he could shoot the puck (he only took 3 shots in the series).

 

[Petes2424]

Bruins have on LD:

Hampus Lindholm: 6.5M
Mike Reilly: 3M
Matt Grzelcyk: 3.7M
Derek Forbort: 3M
Jakub Zboril*: 1.1M

*Zboril has played a lot on his right side but he's still a lefty nevertheless.

Lindholm is obviously staying. Forbort is probably locking down our 3rd pair after his terrific playoff series against the Canes. That leaves Reilly or Grzelcyk to be moved. Reilly was just signed last year and outplayed Grzelcyk as Grizz had a terrible postseason. You can't have a 3M dman regularly riding pine especially with some cap restraints.

He's a terrific puck mover, terrific skater, a regular season top 4 D, a postseason 3rd pair D. He's undersized and has a history to that leading to injuries. I do not know his value.

There would absolutely be a market for him. He’s underrated and would fit in a lot of lineups around the league. Just don’t think they will or should move him.