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Edge said:
Personally, I was/am against a huge, long term contract for Callahan. I think he is an easy player to love but also an easy player to overpay and be stuck with when he declines (and declines fast). There's no guarantee that would happen, but it is a very real possibility.

With that said, I felt we gave up too much for St. Louis at this point in his career. I'd love nothing more for him to dazzle in the playoffs and earn a second ring. I just don't see it happening.
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I think the issue with the St Louis deal is that the Rangers lose another 1st round pick if they make it to the conference finals this year. Not even the Stanley Cup finals, just conference finals. That's a hefty pricetag to pay for a 38 year old. If the Rangers won the cup along the way, I could swallow it, but if they get to the ECF just to lose then man that's gonna be rough.

If it was just Callahan and a 1st for St Louis? Fine, but 2 firsts is hard to deal with.
 
Levitate said:
I think the issue with the St Louis deal is that the Rangers lose another 1st round pick if they make it to the conference finals this year. Not even the Stanley Cup finals, just conference finals. That's a hefty pricetag to pay for a 38 year old. If the Rangers won the cup along the way, I could swallow it, but if they get to the ECF just to lose then man that's gonna be rough.

If it was just Callahan and a 1st for St Louis? Fine, but 2 firsts is hard to deal with.
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LOL, please. If the Rangers won the cup with MSL this would be the easiest 'loss' in the world to swallow.

It comes back to a point I brought up the day we traded for MSL when it's going to be HILARIOUS that nearly half this board is going to be upset if the Rangers make the ECF this year. It's unfathomable to me.

When/if that potential 2014 1st rounder (that's what we lose with an ECF game, right?) makes the NHL, when do you think that'll be? It'll be the 27th pick in the draft. We're talking 4 years, if ever. I'll take an ECF series over that any day of the week. I'd trade a first-rounder EVERY year if it automatically meant the Rangers would be in the ECF every year.
 
nikonsniper said:
If he wants another 1-2 years after, that would be ideal. That means the remainder of his time year will perfectly coincide with the "peak" years left that Nash, Lundqvist, Girardi, Staal, and Zucc can expect them to perform at.
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which is why sending a 1st away for him made sense...

He's the equivalent of 1st round pick production with a waiting period of 4-8 weeks (the time it took him to adjust here) compared to 3-4 years in that of a 1st round pick.

Everyone should realize that most 1st round picks are similar to Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov.... very few are actually a Nathan Mackinnon

What's also funny is that Callahan is going to demand that ridiculous 6-8 year contract, and will be declining 4 years in, and will most likely be broken down by year 5-6 of that contract.

If we get MSL for 3.5 years total, then it's an absolute steal, especially with Nash, Hank, McD, and Girardi all entering their prime, on top of several up and coming players in Kreider, Stepan, John moore (if he stays), Diaz (if he stays), and Miller.

PLUS, having a guy like MSL in the locker room does undescribable things to a group that young. Remember Step, Kreider, Miller, Hagelin, Zucc, and Brass are all 26 and under. Having a guy like MSL in a room of those guys is really, really great... Compared to Cally, I couldn't say, but we can all agree that the leadership ability is there and working with MSL
 
I think you're overdoing that response just a bit. Sorry I wasn't more clear but yeah if it meant a cup I'd be completely and totally fine with trading two first round picks like that. And I'll be happy if they make it to the ECF, just more nervous than usual about the possibility of them losing.
 
azaloum90 said:
which is why sending a 1st away for him made sense...

He's the equivalent of 1st round pick production with a waiting period of 4-8 weeks (the time it took him to adjust here) compared to 3-4 years in that of a 1st round pick.

Everyone should realize that most 1st round picks are similar to Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov.... very few are actually a Nathan Mackinnon
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Errr, Taylor Hall is really good and has been since he started playing in the NHL. If he was on a team that was worth a damn he'd be amazing. 6th in scoring in his 4th NHL season, over a point per game this year. e: really he's probably the best LW in the NHL. MacKinnon had a great season and is having a great playoffs but he actually has a pretty good team around him and that has helped a ton. Maybe he's better than Hall but I really wouldn't piss on Hall like he's a so-so 1st round pick. The guy is a straight out fantastic player and I'd trade any forward and any prospect the Rangers have to get him.
 
Levitate said:
Errr, Taylor Hall is really good and has been since he started playing in the NHL. If he was on a team that was worth a damn he'd be amazing. 6th in scoring in his 4th NHL season, over a point per game this year.
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Yeah, that was a weird point...... :laugh:

I don't think I need to bring to light that Hall was a #1 and any pick we'd potentially lose is a 27th-30th, right?
 
azaloum90 said:
Everyone should realize that most 1st round picks are similar to Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov.... very few are actually a Nathan Mackinnon
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I understand the point you're trying to make, but do you realize that Taylor Hall had 80 points this year?
 
nyr2k2 said:
Teemu Selanne was over a point per game at age 40, and scored 66 points at age 41. That's my hope with St. Louis--that's he's still a lethal point producer for another three or four years. I think he can do it.
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The difference is the Ducks were not counting on Selanne to be one of their top two or 3 scorers. They had depth just in case he did start to show his age.
 
Levitate said:
Errr, Taylor Hall is really good and has been since he started playing in the NHL. If he was on a team that was worth a damn he'd be amazing. 6th in scoring in his 4th NHL season, over a point per game this year. e: really he's probably the best LW in the NHL. MacKinnon had a great season and is having a great playoffs but he actually has a pretty good team around him and that has helped a ton. Maybe he's better than Hall but I really wouldn't piss on Hall like he's a so-so 1st round pick. The guy is a straight out fantastic player and I'd trade any forward and any prospect the Rangers have to get him.
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YOu're right. I'm not using this to **** on Taylor Hall. I'm just using it as an example. I should have put emphasis on someone like Yakupov or Evander Kane, who were both top 5 picks, and yet the former is decent but not amazing, and the latter is apparently becoming uncoachable...

Silence Of The Plams said:
We had Taylor Hall?
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Rangers had Adam Hall, who now plays for Philly if I am not mistaken
 
You can't compare all 1st round picks to 1st overall picks. The rangers in their entire history have 1 first overall pick and that was when it was a handful of teams in the league and the guy didn't play a single game for them. The rangers have not had the chance to draft a hall or anyone of that caliber. Most likely we draft a defensive dman who will be ready in 3-5 years with our picks that we traded for St Louis. I'd rather have the future hall of fame player instead of a couple of McIlraths and Skjeis.
 
Dactyl said:
You can't compare all 1st round picks to 1st overall picks. The rangers in their entire history have 1 first overall pick and that was when it was a handful of teams in the league and the guy didn't play a single game for them. The rangers have not had the chance to draft a hall or anyone of that caliber. Most likely we draft a defensive dman who will be ready in 3-5 years with our picks that we traded for St Louis. I'd rather have the future hall of fame player instead of a couple of McIlraths and Skjeis.
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Nash to Edmonton for 2015 1st. E4.
 
Well before I knew we gave up Taylor Hall or his equivalent I liked this trade. Now I agree anything short of a Stanley Cup every year for the rest of Taylor Hall's career is a total and criminal level failure.

:sarcasm:
 
azaloum90 said:
YOu're right. I'm not using this to **** on Taylor Hall. I'm just using it as an example. I should have put emphasis on someone like Yakupov or Evander Kane, who were both top 5 picks, and yet the former is decent but not amazing, and the latter is apparently becoming uncoachable...
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Meh I'd still take Kane, he's also a great player. I don't know about the uncoachable stuff, Winnipeg has had some issues getting a decent coach in there and Kane gets a lot of **** for no reason.

That said, I'm kind of nitpicking your point. Yeah not every first round pick is a star player, especially if you're picking in the last part of the draft. Giving up a late round 1st isn't as big of a deal especially if you can find a way to get back some second round picks or something.
 
Levitate said:
Meh I'd still take Kane, he's also a great player. I don't know about the uncoachable stuff, Winnipeg has had some issues getting a decent coach in there and Kane gets a lot of **** for no reason.

That said, I'm kind of nitpicking your point. Yeah not every first round pick is a star player, especially if you're picking in the last part of the draft. Giving up a late round 1st isn't as big of a deal especially if you can find a way to get back some second round picks or something.
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That's right. The difference between what's available at 26 and at 42, for example, isn't necessarily that significant, if significant at all. If you can recoup a mid-second round pick, you make the loss of a late-first round pick sting a whole lot less.
 
azaloum90 said:
Everyone should realize that most 1st round picks are similar to Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov.... very few are actually a Nathan Mackinnon
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!!!!!?????

silverfish said:
I don't think I need to bring to light that Hall was a #1 and any pick we'd potentially lose is a 27th-30th, right?
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True Blue said:
Did I miss it or are the only top-6 forwards and top-4 defensemen, come out of the top-20 picks?
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Dactyl said:
You can't compare all 1st round picks to 1st overall picks. .
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All this summarized my thought process after reading a comparison between losing our 1st rounder and then using only number 1 overalls as the examples. Weird way to make the point that not every pick is going to be great. No matter what the statement that most 1st rounders (which entails picks 1-30) are like Hall and Yakupov is wrooooong. Finding taylor halls after the 1st 5 picks or so becomes more of a diamond in the rough exercise than anything
 
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silverfish said:
LOL, please. If the Rangers won the cup with MSL this would be the easiest 'loss' in the world to swallow.

It comes back to a point I brought up the day we traded for MSL when it's going to be HILARIOUS that nearly half this board is going to be upset if the Rangers make the ECF this year. It's unfathomable to me.

When/if that potential 2014 1st rounder (that's what we lose with an ECF game, right?) makes the NHL, when do you think that'll be? It'll be the 27th pick in the draft. We're talking 4 years, if ever. I'll take an ECF series over that any day of the week. I'd trade a first-rounder EVERY year if it automatically meant the Rangers would be in the ECF every year.
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I'll be alright with losing the picks if the Rangers make the ECF+ and put up a good fight. If they get swept/out in 5, not so much. Still minutely better than being bounced in the 1st round.
 
Trying to look at the bright side here - if we do make the ECF it means the second round pick (around number 20 in the second round) becomes a first round pick, which would be number 27-30 in the first round. So it's Tampa only moving up 20-23 spots.

Again, just trying to look at the bright side, we're not giving up the 20th overall pick, because if we make the ECF we don't have a 20th overall pick anyway.

Still not a fan of the trade, but there is that.
 
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