Thirty One
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Yep. For whatever reason the required results for St. Louis are remarkably rigid, but allowance for uncertainty is given for the assets traded for him. Crazy world we live in.
Marty St. Louis
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NickyFotiu
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He is playing very well. I respected Cally a lot as a player but Marty is Marty. Once we get Kreider back we will have some amazing speed on this team as well as 3 real scoring lines.
Some people have called hank the worst thing to happen to this franchise because he's the reason we haven't gotten 3 first overall picks in a row and he's the reason the rangers will never rebuild
Judgment would make it seem like my mind is made up on McIlrath. Its not. But I was really alarmed by what I saw in terms of decision making. He looked like the game was moving far, far, far too quickly for him.
Jesper Fast is a guy I'd consider looking "pretty decent" during his cup of coffee.
Interesting, so when it fits your narrative the exclusion of data arbitrarily actually works as analysis. Funny how that works.
Inferno
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i just dont think you can read anything by a guys first ever NHL game...heck even the first game after a trade...way too much going on in terms of nerves/emotions/etc.
Ian
Mike York fan club
Ryan Callahan is asking to be paid like a 1st line player, so why wouldn't you judge him by his PPG?
Seems that all anyone ever does when it comes to Rick Nash.
That's how you get messes like Clarkson, when a player's value is arbitrarily increased by "grit."
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
It's very old time hockey and thankfully the significance added to intangibles such as "grit" is becoming less and less with us coming out of the middle ages. Not that grit isn't important, but there are far more important aspects to a game. Grit is important for your 4th line and sometimes for your 3rd line.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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I don't think I've ever advocated giving Callahan the contract he wants. But you are using a stat to compare two very different players. It's not apples to apples.
Not sure what this is supposed to mean
Clarkson is nowhere near the player that Callahan is but, again, nobody said pay him what he wants.
Ian
Mike York fan club
Agreed 100%, but with the money Callahan requested, it's only fair to judge him by his point production because he'd have to be a significant scorer on a team over the length of his deal in order to take up that % of the total cap, regardless of cap increases.
I don't see his next contract turning out well, unless he has a significant change of heart compared to what has been reported.
Ian
Mike York fan club
I'm willing to bet that Callahan has a higher cap hit than MSL next season.
At what point are they not "two very different players" in the grand scheme of things? Because one might block more shots?
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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While they are two different players that doesn't mean that Callahan's "grit" makes up for the gap in offense. In other words being two different players doesn't automatically mean that Callahan can't be a worse player than MSL.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Is point per game not an important aspect of the game? What do we judge Ryan Callahan's value on, and was he providing that this season?
This board overrates intangibles way too much. You'd think that no matter what the gap in scoring, intangibles are the trump card. Give me Brian Boyle over Alex Ovechkin!
Ian
Mike York fan club
If your local deli owner makes as much as Warren Buffett, then I think it's fair to equally compare their value via a metric that should determine much of their salary.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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So, we should judge him as a player based on his paycheck, and NOT points per game?
Ian
Mike York fan club
My whole point is, if MSL's point totals decline 25% from his recent averages over the next three years, he's a 62-point winger making roughly 5.6m, which is still appropriate value.
If Callahan's points totals decline 25% from his recent averages over the next three years, he's a 36~ point winger making >5.5m, which is pretty horrendous unless the cap shoots up highly.
I understand the trade is more than a straight swap of players, but to me, acquiring MSL is less of a "win now at all costs" move than the majority of people on this forum want to act like it is. Even the fact that they included draft picks doesn't change that. That's the cost of acquiring a player of that quality and relative value, like it or not.
If Callahan's points totals decline 25% from his recent averages over the next three years, he's a 36~ point winger making >5.5m, which is pretty horrendous unless the cap shoots up highly.
I understand the trade is more than a straight swap of players, but to me, acquiring MSL is less of a "win now at all costs" move than the majority of people on this forum want to act like it is. Even the fact that they included draft picks doesn't change that. That's the cost of acquiring a player of that quality and relative value, like it or not.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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You can judge him however you want.
His value is whatever some team deems him worth and chooses to pay him.
Thirty One
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OK.
So since someone was willing to give up Callahan and two high picks for St. Louis, what should we conclude about St. Louis and Callahan's value?
NYR Viper
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SingnBluesOnBroadway
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