Who is deflecting? Name me the players who performed at elite levels at 39 & 40. Simple question. Can you name them?Stop deflecting. MSL has been an elite player most of his career sans breaking in to the league. If the only reason you don't think he will is because a bunch of players who didn't have the career MSL has didn't do it then okay.
Marty St. Louis
- Thread starter pld459666
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
- Status
Beacon
Embrace the tank
- May 28, 2007
- 13,676
- 1,454
I know this is sarcastic, but speaking of toffness, we should have more in a year because McIlrath should be ready by the trading deadline. He makes people pay, and not just with fists, with body checks too. Getting hit by McIlrath is similar to getting run over by an SUV.
Well congrats then. Looks like the Rangers have something that has almost never been done.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
He might be able to hit like a truck, but if he handles like one it won't make a difference.
Beacon
Embrace the tank
- May 28, 2007
- 13,676
- 1,454
I think in a couple of seasons, we'll be forced to rebuild no matter what.
MSL will age or leave. Richards will be gone. So may Staal. Nash will age.
Who do we have coming in? Miller, Fast and Lindberg at F and McI and Allen at D? Not exactly earth shattering.
It may not be the worst idea to rebuild earlier than later to see if we can rise back up before Hank is done.
Last edited:
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Callahan was brought up by someone not part of the conversation prior. Lol keep trying.
You seem to ignoring every point 31 has made and just repeating what you've been saying. I'm not sure if you're not understanding it or you're purposely ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative. For your sake I hope it's the latter.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
- Oct 8, 2010
- 80,071
- 17,712
Jagr, Whitney, Messier, Howe, Selanne, Lidstrom are all players who performed at high levels in that age range. St. Louis is not a run of the mill player, expectations are high, and rightfully so. He certainly doesn't play like a 38 year old. He may not be an impact player for too much longer, but I don't think expecting two to three more very productive years out of him is far-fetched.
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
- Dec 28, 2003
- 28,981
- 24,357
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
- Dec 28, 2003
- 28,981
- 24,357
I agree. I hope this time they embrace the suck for a couple of years instead of try and draw into the middle of the pack.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
- Dec 28, 2003
- 28,981
- 24,357
He had 67 points at age 40, and a higher Pts/GP rate than at age 38.
The thing is, if True Blue wanted to he could stick to his narrative and not ignore 31's points. The obvious objection would be that the amount of players 31 is talking about is so small that you can consider it a small sample size. Instead he chose to ignore it, bringing into question if he understands simple stats/logic. By ignoring it, it's the worst possible thing you can do. You're at the risk of looking like you don't understand the argument being made or looking like someone that is ignoring the argument because you really want to win it and you have nothing to disprove it. Neither puts you in a positive light, especially not the former.
I'm a bit confused. Earlier in the year when Zuccerello was struggling or as you called him "Pats Prucharello", posters responded with Zuccerello's ppg numbers in Zuc's career. You responded with:
Soooooo, PPG is not a fair way to judge player because it doesn't fit your argument.
PPG was misleading in judging MZA because he didn't do it over a prolonged stretch? Yet, you thought in Oct that PPG was a fair way to judge a player, otherwise why would you need more of a sample size?
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
My issue was people were calling him "a consistent, proven 40+ point player" by looking at his career PPG
I was proven wrong by Zuc. He managed to last a full season. That was what I wanted/needed to see. It should also be noted that he also improved immensely over the player he was when he couldn't crack the line up on a consistent basis.
No. I don't think PPG is a great way to measure Callahan's value because he wasn't a straight scorer (especially if you're going to use that argument against the PPG numbers of a player like MSL). I could use the hit stat and compare it to MSL's and ask in three years, which one will have the same number of hitstheir current level? But the larger issue is: it wasn't Callahan for St. Louis.
My argument about PPG as it pertained to Zuc was his numbers were compiled over a small sample size that wasn't continuous (over the course of three seasons) and at that time he hadn't shown he could do much aside from any offensive contribution he might make. He's become a much better all around player than he ever showed prior to this season.
[Some fans] use statistics in the same way that a drunk uses lamp-posts—for support rather than illumination.
haveandare
Registered User
Depends on how many years down the pipe we're talking. Duclair, Buch, Skjei are all possibilities. Skjei more than the other two at this point, but they've both been very promising for their levels. Plus Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Allen, McI. Step, Kreider, Hagelin, McD, and G will likely still be around. Brassard and Zucc perhaps too. Any good draft picks they make before then will be in the mix possibly.
Those big ticket guys will be gone, or declined, yeah, but you gotta think that the kids are going to get better. Step is still getting better and he's been in the league for a while. Who knows what the future holds for a guy like Kreider or Miller?
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
- Dec 28, 2003
- 28,981
- 24,357
I don't understand.
When you add three small sample sizes together don't they become a larger sample size?
I think he was worried that he won't be able to handle the grind of a continuous stretch of game or something.
Inferno
Registered User
the "lot more" remains to be seen.
If i had to give up Ryan Callahan, Bobby Sanguinetti and Hugh Jessiman to get 2 years of MSL playing at an elite level...I probably make that trade.
If I had to give up Ryan Callahan, Marc Staal, and Chris Kreider for 2 years of MSL playing at an elite level, I'd kill myself because that's a terrible trade.
i simply refuse to judge the "success" of this trade until i find out what those picks were.
Like ive said millions of times, its a trade i probably wouldnt have done...but its a trade that may or may not be a good one depending on how those variables turn out. there is simply no way to know right now....
if we win a cup, its a good trade.
if those picks are busts, its a good trade.
if MSL mentors MZA to become the next MSL then its a good trade
if i could have figured out another 3 letter "M" abbreviation to use in the above phrase it would have been a good trade.
if MSL helps Nash take another step next season and get back to his dominating ways, then its a good trade.
there are just way too many moving parts to judge the success of this trade by our cup run this season.
ask me in 5 years, i'll tell you what it is. as of right now, its a trade...not good...not bad...just a trade.
A first round pick on its face is an asset. Its not necessarily going to be judged about whether the player eventually drafted becomes a good player or not.
- Status
