Martin Brodeur or Henrik Lundqvist?

[SeanMoneyHands]

Who had the better peak and career?

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[Bear of Bad News]

Not sure what you're hoping to see here.

 

[Romang67]

Personality, looks, shampoo commercials? Lundqvist.

Hockey? What would the argument for Lundqvist even be?

Brodeur won 4 Vezina trophies in 5 seasons (he was runner-up in the year in the middle). He had 13 top 5 Vezina finishes in his career. He won multiple cups. He played almost 400 more games.

 

[Albatros]

I'll take Lundqvist for a peak because he was consistently great for longer whereas Brodeur has two shorter and separate peaks, but looking at their trophy cabinets the career argument can only go one way.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Personality, looks, shampoo commercials? Lundqvist.

Hockey? What would the argument for Lundqvist even be?

Lundqvist played on much weaker teams whereas Brodeur had prime Stevens, Niedermayer, Rafalski in front of him.

 

[Romang67]

Lundqvist played on much weaker teams whereas Brodeur had prime Stevens, Niedermayer, Rafalski in front of him.

Brodeur won 2 Vezina trophies without Niedermayer and Stevens. He was runner-up once.

I'll take Lundqvist for a peak because he was consistently great for longer whereas Brodeur has two shorter and separate peaks, but looking at their trophy cabinets the career argument can only go one way.

Brodeur finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st in Vezina voting in the NHL seasons 02-08. Precious few goaltenders can compete with that peak, and one of them is certainly not Lundqvist, who has 7 top 5 Vezina finishes in his career.

 

[Albatros]

Brodeur finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st in Vezina voting in the NHL seasons 02-08. Precious few goaltenders can compete with that peak, and one of them is certainly not Lundqvist, who has 7 top 5 Vezina finishes in his career.

Another question is whether he deserved to. Obviously Brodeur was one of the best goalies in the league, but also one of the most overrated for a good while.

 

[SUX2BU]

Fatso

 

[Primary Assist]

Sorry Hank, but you're in over your head on this one

 

[tmg]

Another question is whether he deserved to. Obviously Brodeur was one of the best goalies in the league, but also one of the most overrated for a good while.

It’s odd that you think your rating of player excellence is more correct and relevant than the NHL GMs that cast those Vezina votes.

Like, the Vezina isn’t even a media or fan award. It’s voted on by GM’s. Saying you know better than they do what rating level he merits is a hell of a thing.

 

[Romang67]

Another question is whether he deserved to. Obviously Brodeur was one of the best goalies in the league, but also one of the most overrated for a good while.

Let's say he didn't deserve to win half of those Vezina trophies. That would have put him at, what, 2 Vezina trophies and 2-3 top 3 finishes in voting in 5 years? That's still something that blows Lundqvist's peak out of the water. Unless you're saying that he didn't deserve to win any of those Vezina trophies, in which case he still have 5 straight top 5 finishes in Vezina voting over that period, which is STILL better than any 5 year period for Lundqvist.

It’s odd that you think your rating of player excellence is more correct and relevant than the NHL GMs that cast those Vezina votes.

Like, the Vezina isn’t even a media or fan award. It’s voted on by GM’s. Saying you know better than they do what rating level he merits is a hell of a thing.

Brodeur was also very high in Hart trophy voting consistently (and thus, obviously also All-Star team voting, since that's also voted on by the PHWA).

 

[Albatros]

It’s odd that you think your rating of player excellence is more correct and relevant than the NHL GMs that cast those Vezina votes.

Like, the Vezina isn’t even a media or fan award. It’s voted on by GM’s. Saying you know better than they do what eating level he merits is a hell of a thing.

Argumentum ab auctoritate. The GMs also gave the trophy to Jim Carey over peak Dominik Hašek.

 

[blundluntman]

This may be unpopular but I'd say their peaks are very similar in all honesty. I don't think any of Brodeur's Vezina seasons are all too much better than Lundqvist's peak seasons if you take their supporting casts into consideration. Even so, Brodeur is just far more battle-tested/accomplished (especially in the playoffs) to try and argue Lundqvist as the better goalie even if you take team dynamics out of the equation.

I obviously have Brodeur for Career, but it's a tie for peak. If I had to choose between the two for 3-5 season stretch, I'd definitely consider Lundqvist.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Wow lol. One of these is not like the other.

 

[amnesiac]

Lundqvist vs Luongo
or
Brodeur vs Roy

wouldve been a lot closer

 

[Bear of Bad News]