GoonieFace
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Heck, not even a cup, just put a nice run together. Anything but getting rinsed every year. I’m desperate
Player Discussion Marner
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If they could get close to Dallas’ level it would be fine. A couple of semi finals and a finals appearance, perfect.
TMLBlueandWhite
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Who says it's fabricated.
Do I sound angry?
Do I sound frustrated?
Maybe even a little pissed off?
Everyone on this site should be.
The name of the team is the TORONTO Maple Leafs. These players are paid millions upon millions to represent the pride of this city. Seeing their disgusting no heart no show performance every spring is bad enough on it's own.
Even worse when they shrug it off like it's no big deal.
This should be the flagship franchise of the NHL. Instead it's the biggest joke of the league. The greatest opportunity in a lifetime to win the cup is being pissed away and for some reason that's OK.
The complacency in this fan base is mind numbing.
Get angry.... get f***ING angry. Tell them how you really feel. Maybe something will finally get done.
If I sound extremist that's only because the situation IS extreme.
Time is the most precious commodity of all. Treliving is aware of this. That's why the Leafs hired Berube so quickly.
Patience isn't a virtue when the doomsday clock is two minutes to midnight.
MCR74
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But.. but... they're seen as gods around here, which is obviously frustrating to some players.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
I would have preferred to work with Kadri rather than forcing a trade. Cannot make the same mistake with Marner.
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Auston Matthews 69 regular season goals & 1 meaningful playoff goal @ $11.634 mil.
Mitch Marner 26 regular season goals and 1 meaningful playoff goal @ $10.9 mil
John Tavares 29 regular season goals and 1 meaningful playoff goal @ $ 11 mil
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Zach Hyman 54 regular season goals & 11 playoff goals and into the final 4 carrying his new team.
Zach Hyman since leaving the Leafs due to GM incompetence has scored 25 playoff goals in 40 playoff games. vs Matthews (10) + Marner (6) and Tavares (8) = 24 goals total combined past 3 seasons in 73 man games.
Impressive is what former Leafs Zach Hyman is doing for his new team now that he is being used properly and in all situation and has outscore all 3 Leafs $11 mil players combined in the playoffs.
Marner is the weakest link statistically of all those players here in terms of goal scoring in the regular season and playoffs and his non physical preferred style of play is anti-playoff style as well,
Leafs likely got rid of the wrong Matthews winger in the past and now it looks like Marner appears to be the one new management has a desire to move on from.
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100%!
I defended the Kadri trade at the time and even though I can now see how it spoke volumes about the (lack of) character on the team, I can at least see why Dubas did it. It was a decisive move that was consistent with an organizational philosophy. Turns out that philosophy was stupid, but you do get points for consistency and decisive action, even when it's not correct.
Meanwhile, Marner continues to fritter away postseasons and fail when we need him most. Our organizational philosophy (supposedly) is that highly skilled offense can make the difference in the post season, yet Marner is the epitome of unreliable and MIA when we need him most. If I think it's sensible that Kadri was fired for two unreliable postseasons, how could I possibly think it makes sense that Marner is still here after so many terrible series? If you're going to bring the hammer down on Kadri, who was doing what we wanted but went too far, I can understand, but if that's going to be followed up by Marner failing for years and continuing to wear the jersey, I can no longer understand. It's indecisive and it's inconsistent, therefore no points. Shanahan should also be fired for it.
You can rant and rave all you want, it's not going to change the fact there isn't a GM with an IQ higher than 16 that is going to trade for Mitch before that July 1st bonus has been paid.
It's got nothing to do with my "complacency" or not being angry it's about living in the real world.
You've got it wrong, the doomsday clock isn't two minutes to midnight, it doesn't even start ticking until 12:01am on July 1st.
It infuriates me how everything MLSE touches turns to an absolute disaster. Keefe had his issues, but what coach doesn’t. He was the wrong hire because he like dubie, learned on the job at a time when you needed established seasoned management and coaches, not rookies learning the ropes. Keefe did get better and frankly I’m not the biggest endorser of keefe but he was handed goalies who were mentally fragile or physically fragile or both. On top of that, keefe didn’t hand out ludicrous second contracts to M&M and taveras and piss away assets getting an injured foligno rental in return. Then when dubas realized his skill skill skill with no physicality approach wasn’t working, at the 11th hour traded for Schenn, lybushkin, RoR but it was too late. It was like trying to use duct tape as a last resort when the foundation of the ship was too fragile. On top of that, dubas banked hard on sandin and Lilly pad to step in and neither were good. Also dubas, learn to build a team correctly, get some grit, some RD and not invest half the cap in 4 players. Also Reilly is your best d man and can’t play the PP or PK effectively. Keefe had his downfalls, but he was given a flawed team and that’s ultimately on shanahan.
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rumman
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They won’t hold any playoff scoring records that’s for damn sure, and that’s why some of the core will be traded
Winning means everything…….
Racer88
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Kadri had to much passion and heart, Marner had to little of both…….they are not the same
I feel asking a player to play a different way than what has gotten him to the level he is at today, is similar to asking someone to win with their B game. Maybe some guys can do that but I think most can’t.
So I feel Trev should get players to allow our top guys to play their way. Very much like we would pair a stay at home Dman with Rielly
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HamiltonNHL
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Sad really.
It felt just bad when Hyman wasn’t resigned.
It didn’t feel right.
And it wasn’t right
Could've have had Deboer with any Shana shit vision
Hyman is no MARNER LMAO
MCR74
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l'd settle for a few rounds, and Marner not posting about the cottage the day after the team is eliminated.
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I think Keefe's thinking goes back to Dubas' philosophy of stars win series...but he forgot/didn't recognize that those stars don't do it alone. Same with the tiny players he kept drafting. Yes, you can win with a few smaller players...but not 50% of your team. Same goes for the core. Can you have a soft player in your core? Sure...but not 3 or 4 of them that make up the bulk of it. It was spreadsheet mania for a long time and I am so glad it's over.
With nylander right there too. I don’t see any of them going anywhere until after that happensMatthews and Marner could both move into top 5 in all time Leaf scoring by the end of the season.
No doubt if they finish their careers here they will finish 1-2 all time. Pretty remarkable.
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What do you honestly think would happen if Marner was on mcdavids wing?
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Management has to ask themselves, are the Leafs ‘stars’ actually stars?
It’s not just one playoff series but in nearly every big moment their top players fail. The Sunday game 6 at home to Boston, Tavares return to NYI, several prime NBC TNT and ESPN games where they were hyped up and showcased and they laid eggs. That’s who they are and I would think the only way they get out it is if someone carries them out.
WTFMAN99
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I'm kind of an armchair GM and I can't get past the fact that at this time with where the cap is, you're not going to be able to assemble a cup winning roster with 2 wingers making over 10 million on the cap, or 11.5+ 11.5-12.5M given that their names aren't Pastrnak or Kucherov, our guys just haven't performed well enough.
Nylander has been extended so you just gotta be rational and do the best you can in a trade for Marner.
Nylander has been extended so you just gotta be rational and do the best you can in a trade for Marner.
HamiltonNHL
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Commander Clueless
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Unless they are moving someone else instead, extending Marner makes no sense at this point.
That's no shade against Mitch. I like Mitch. I might be one of the few left here who does.
But three $11M+ forwards isn't working. Why would four next year? Or three the year after that?
Team needs balance. For too long we've relied on bargain bin goaltending and defense and they've tried their best, bless them... But it's time to invest.
That's no shade against Mitch. I like Mitch. I might be one of the few left here who does.
But three $11M+ forwards isn't working. Why would four next year? Or three the year after that?
Team needs balance. For too long we've relied on bargain bin goaltending and defense and they've tried their best, bless them... But it's time to invest.
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Superstar
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Hyman scores many of his goals around the net...I would still expect Marner to skate around the perimeter.
His point total would most likely go through the roof as would McDavid's goals. I get frustrated as well with him and I definitely think he was highly overpaid but he's not nearly as bad of a player as some of you make him out to be.
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