Player Discussion Marner

[Trapper]

Don't Trade Marner!!! But it is not what you think. A trade is potentially a much less desirable option than waiting out the year, letting him walk, and taking the 11 million to the incredible UFA market next year.

Hear me out. A trade is with one team, and it is a compromised situation. Marner has to approve, which is a major restriction of choice. I can't think of one trade now that matches the potential of people who could be available next summer, since it is an open market, not based on one team. Yes, some will sign with their current team -- and some won't.

Here are some names that could be out there in 2025: Mikko Rantanen, Sidney Crosby, Leon Draisaitl (!), Brent Burns, Victor Hedman, Aaaron Ekblad, Brad Marchand (also !!, but old..), Igor Shesterkin, Travis Konecny, Shea Theodore, Juusi Saros, Linus Ullmark, Jakob Chychrun, Sam Bennett, Carter Verhaeghe, Jake Oettinger, Noah Dobson, Evan Bouchard, Bowen Byram, Alexis LaFreniere, etc -- just to list some names, not that I like them all. It is choice.

Being patient could pay off....

The contract for Matthews starts this season. The clock is ticking. You want to take advantage of some UFAs this year and then 11 million from Tavares next year. You’d also like to get something for Marner if possible, even if it’s 1st round pick and A level prospect. We need cap space, UFAs, goalie, D and young Knies type prospects + picks in the system.

 

[Racer88]

Restructuring would require a window that Shanny doesn't have. While he is still around, you won't see a second rebuild.

Unfortunately I think you may be correct in this reasoning

 

[therealkoho]

Not really. He has yet to make 100 points playing with one of the best goal scorers ever and being given the best opportunity of PP time.
We have to stop over valuing players.
He is a decent player when the games are going easy but goes missing when the going gets tough. In no world is he worth what he is going to want on his next contract.

A 90 point Swiss army knife is only "a decent player?"

 

[Clark4Ever]

A 90 point Swiss army knife is only "a decent player?"

He is a great regular season player that cannot translate his game in the playoffs. We've seen a large enough sample size to assume that will not change.

 

[ULF_55]

A 90 point Swiss army knife is only "a decent player?"

I think he's a limited function Swiss Army knife.

He's:

He's not:

He doesn't have a physical game.
He doesn't do faceoffs.

 

[therealkoho]

Marners own team mates ripping on him on the bench should tell you all you need to know

I remember it happening quite clearly, I didnt see the start of it, but did see Marner throw his gloves. So what was actually said, who started what?

 

[ACC1224]

I think he's a limited function Swiss Army knife.

He's:
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He's not:
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He doesn't have a physical game.
He doesn't do faceoffs.

No player brings everything.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

His "real value" is what the market pays him - and I suspect several teams will still be willing to pay him top dollar if he hits free agency.

This idea that he plays out the year in a miserable & toxic environment, gets pushed out the door next summer, and then is forced to settle for a 7 year x $8m deal because that's the best he can get now, is insane.

I agree he shouldn't play here next year. He should waive for his own good.

 

[ACC1224]

I remember it happening quite clearly, I didnt see the start of it, but did see Marner throw his gloves. So what was actually said, who started what?

Nylander and Matthews were arguing about Nylander not running the set play they wanted to execute on the PP.
Didn't have anything to do with Marner by all accounts.

 

[therealkoho]

I think he's a limited function Swiss Army knife.

He's:
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He's not:
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He doesn't have a physical game.
He doesn't do faceoffs.

Yeah but he does do 90 points

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nylander and Matthews were arguing about Nylander not running the set play they wanted to execute on the PP.
Didn't have anything to do with Marner by all accounts.

That seems weird, optically.

They're arguing and Marner randomly throws gloves?

 

[therealkoho]

Nylander and Matthews were arguing about Nylander not running the set play they wanted to execute on the PP.
Didn't have anything to do with Marner by all accounts.

Thanks that's how I heard it as well.

I was hoping to hear Racers take on it though

 

[ACC1224]

That seems weird, optically.

They're arguing and Marner randomly throws gloves?

Think they were all just frustrated with how poorly the PP was going.

 

[ULF_55]

I remember it happening quite clearly, I didnt see the start of it, but did see Marner throw his gloves. So what was actually said, who started what?

It's like a Podcast.

You can make up anything from a morsel of truth.

marner was upset.
Matthews was beaking off about some play that didn't go like he wanted.
Nylander (and this surprised me) said something about not being juniors and to shoot the f'ing puck.

Still thinking about it, out of those 3 Nylander told them to grow up. Perhaps a voice that should be heard more often. The BOP needs to shift. (Berube should be the power.)

 

[ACC1224]

Thanks that's how I heard it as well.

I was hoping to hear Racers take on it though

Why?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

What's that make you Kevin?

Who's Kevin?

 

[therealkoho]

That seems weird, optically.

They're arguing and Marner randomly throws gloves?

I don't think Mitch was very happy with the entire situation, sitting between an argument and all

 

[Hellcat]

I remember it happening quite clearly, I didnt see the start of it, but did see Marner throw his gloves. So what was actually said, who started what?

For some reason I couldn't stop reflecting on the fact he threw his gloves in the direction of one of the trainers. Someone told me before I was married , you can save yourself a lot of headaches if you watch how your date/girl treats people she thinks is lower than her in the social hierarchy. I avoided head cases by simply bringing her to dinner and watching how she treated the wait staff, one and done for a few of them. You don't get much more disrespectful than what Marner did towards that invisible guy standing behind him... pretty douchie TBH.

Nylander said something like, Stop crying, it's not Junior.

 

[Tak7]

I agree he shouldn't play here next year. He should waive for his own good.

There's an argument to be made that him playing out the final year of his deal here putting up 100+ points playing with Matthews + PP1, and riding that into free agency, nets him a much bigger deal when there's more teams interested in his services as a UFA than there is now with a sign & trade situation.

That to me seems the most likely scenario of how this plays out - I think it's upto the Leafs to make him uncomfortable enough to want to leave, and I just don't think they are designed to do that. They don't have that ruthlessness in them.

 

[therealkoho]

Why?

Just that he seemed to think they were picking on Mitch, I thought that maybe he knew something nobody else did.

For some reason I couldn't stop reflecting on the fact he threw his gloves in the direction of one of the trainers. Someone told me before I was married , you can save yourself a lot of headaches if you watch how your date/girl treats people she thinks is lower than her in the social hierarchy. I avoided head cases by simply bringing her to dinner and watching how she treated the wait staff, one and done for a few of them. You don't get much more disrespectful than what Marner did towards that invisible guy standing behind him... pretty douchie TBH.

Nylander said something like, Stop crying, it's not Junior.

You think Mitch is dating the trainer?

Nylander and Matthews were both leaning forward and Mitch was leaning back

 

[Hellcat]

In a best case scenario we trade Marner + get good value in the trade and sign Reinhart to replace him.

 

[Racer88]

A 90 point Swiss army knife is only "a decent player?"

“Swiss army knife”. Give me a break and yes he is decent when the games are easy but when the grind starts he stops.
He does some dipsy doodles and fancy edge work but he certainly isn’t a clutch player

 

[therealkoho]

Who's Kevin?

He's that guy, you know Kevin!

 

[Gabriel426]

No player brings everything.

I agree but if I said the same thing during a MM hot streak, I get booed out of the thread, lol.
It works both ways.

 

[Racer88]

No player brings everything.

Then he shouldn’t be paid like he brings everything