Player Discussion Marner talk - daily repetition version.

[57 Years No Cup]

They have around $19M in cap space to work with.

With 16 payers signed.

 

[Gary Nylund]

There is a really simple solution here for Marner and unfortunately I don't think he and his camp of morons will ever consider it.

Sign on July 1st for the same amount as Nylander with no drama. That will go a long way in resetting the reputation he's developed.

His rep as someone who shrinks as the games get bigger will remain. He should not be extended under almost any circumstances.

The only way I would extend him is a one year deal at a massive discount. If Marner addressed the media, said he is disappointed in his playoff performance, wants to do something to make up for it for the fans. One year extension at 5 million dollars, tell the fans that he hopes the extra cap space will help us win, say he made a lot of money on his last contract so can afford to try this for one year and see what happens.

It'll never happen but if that was the deal and that was his attitude, that would be the only way I'd move forward with Marner. Nylander's deal, fuggedaboudit.

 

[ToneDog]

Kyper on the "they gotta get John to waive" train. I wonder if he is doing it to save Marner b/c I doubt it will work if Shanny's brain kicks in.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Did anyone hear any accountability at all from him? All I heard him say how hard it is to score in the playoffs, and all the other usual excuses. There is 0 accountability with this guy. In his mind, he is the best player ever.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Kyper on the "they gotta get John to waive" train. I wonder if he is doing it to save Marner b/c I doubt it will work if Shanny's brain kicks in.

They do though. A trade is the best case scenario and makes for the least complications. Tavares is trending to put up 50-60 points next season. You need to find a team that will take him with the least retention for us to be competitive. Tavares was right "we are right there". Just not with you John you gotta go.

Marner will thrive playing on a 2nd line sans Tavares. JT makes any line he plays on slow and predictable.

 

[ToneDog]

His rep as someone who shrinks as the games get bigger will remain. He should not be extended under almost any circumstances.

The only way I would extend him is a one year deal at a massive discount. If Marner addressed the media, said he is disappointed in his playoff performance, wants to do something to make up for it for the fans. One year extension at 5 million dollars, tell the fans that he hopes the extra cap space will help us win, say he made a lot of money on his last contract so can afford to try this for one year and see what happens.

It'll never happen but if that was the deal and that was his attitude, that would be the only way I'd move forward with Marner. Nylander's deal, fuggedaboudit.

Marner's camp was upset Lou refused to give him bonuses. He's never leaving $7m off the table. fuggedaboudit

 

[Trapper]

Buckle up. They are not making him an offer IMO.

Don’t Leaf me here and get my hopes up he’s moved. I can only take so much from this team.

 

[ToneDog]

They do though. A trade is the best case scenario and makes for the least complications. Tavares is trending to put up 50-60 points next season. You need to find a team that will take him with the least retention for us to be competitive. Tavares was right "we are right there". Just not with you John you gotta go.

Agreed but so does Mitch need to go. Odds are JT will be harder to move but Kyper is doing his part.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

I doubt John waives his NMC, but I don't see why the team brings him back unless the discounted rate is a massive discounted rate. Its very possible he'll be a 40pt getter next year...do you want to commit to that?

 

[Budz]

Marner cant be expected to fight.
I wouldn't ask him that.

He's a great regular season playmaker with variable effort levels.

It might be nice to keep him, but we need a more balanced team.

JT coming off the books isn't enough.

Rielly needs a #1 D.

Neither should Pasta, but he asked his coach for permission to do so.

A lot of our guys just don’t get it. Marner included.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Agreed but so does Mitch need to go. Odds are JT will be harder to move but Kyper is doing his part.

I'm not done with Marner like I am JT. I can see Marner putting up 100 points next season on a revamped 2nd line. He put up 85 in 69 games. He has the capability to be a star player still. JT is cooked. He's getting PP1 time and easier matchups and only putting up 60ish points.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I'm not done with Marner like I am JT. I can see Marner putting up 100 points next season on a revamped 2nd line. He put up 85 in 69 games. He has the capability to be a star player still. JT is cooked. He's getting PP1 time and easier matchups and only putting up 60ish points.

So what? Playoffs matter.

 

[Brobust]

With 16 payers signed.

Of those 16, you have an entire top 6, 2 top 4 defence, and one half of a tandem.

 

[TorMapleJays]

He has that right.

He does but the fans have the right to Larry Murphy him then.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

So what? Playoffs matter.

I agree Marner was not up to snuff. But he still had 1 more point than JT at the same caphit. He also missed 13 games down the stretch and was forced to play with a slow boat anchor when he was back. It was not like he put up 3 points playing with McDavid.

Hard to drive a line when you're playing with a cooked JT.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Of those 16, you have an entire top 6, 2 top 4 defence, and one half of a tandem.

No we don't.

I agree Marner was not up to snuff. But he still had 1 more point than JT at the same caphit. He also missed 13 games down the stretch and was forced to play with a slow boat anchor when he was back. It was not like he put up 3 points playing with McDavid.

Hard to drive a line when you're playing with a cooked JT.

But isn't he an elite line driver that makes players around him better?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

No we don't.


But isn't he an elite line driver that makes players around him better?

Hard to make that ^ better.

 

[ToneDog]

I'm not done with Marner like I am JT. I can see Marner putting up 100 points next season on a revamped 2nd line. He put up 85 in 69 games. He has the capability to be a star player still. JT is cooked. He's getting PP1 time and easier matchups and only putting up 60ish points.

Three problems:

1. Mitch most likely asking $12.5m.
2. He disappears in the playoffs
3. He is the odd man out if they decide they cannot/will not run back this core

 

[Niagara Bill]

The Leafs will never win anything with Marner on the books. It's just that simple.

Expect Marner to be signed because it's not about winning.

A lot of potential truth about this. Bay Street only wants money. There is no emotional attachment beyond the traditional symbol and what the brand can do.
How is it possible to go to the board of governors meeting and hold your head high. Not because of success on the ice. 57 years is the only proof you need.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

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Hard to make that ^ better.

Nothing's ever poor Mitchy's fault. Always the victim.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I have a lot of respect for JT. I also think his deal after this one will be very valuable and part of a solution. He works hard, had a good playoff series and if he's signing for 4.5M after next year that's a great asset. Marner will be asking for 100M over 8 years.

 

[Niagara Bill]

This is why the media should be obliterated in this city. Every single one of those proposals is abysmal. Also, Markstrom sucks. I'd rather keep Samsonov at half the salary.

Cann9t trade Mintin

 

[29Potvin]

Of those 16, you have an entire top 6, 2 top 4 defence, and one half of a tandem.

And you can waive Revo and Timmins
Trade Kampf and Jarny and that leaves you with 7 forwards 3d and one goalie
26-27 mil in cap can change the look of the team.

 

[Brobust]

With Marner and with every player on this team, we have consider the idea that it's not them but something fundamentally wrong overall. Every guy leaves and has massive success somewhere else.

Maybe they should spend some time on figuring that out before trading their best players.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

With Marner and with every player on this team, we have consider the idea that it's not them but something fundamentally wrong overall. Every guy leaves and has massive success somewhere else.

Maybe they should spend some time on figuring that out before trading their best players.

Marner won't have massive success here. I do believe he'll be good elsewhere. It doesn't matter ultimately