Player Discussion Marner talk - daily repetition version.

[Trapper]

100% think we will try.

99% convinced he won't waive.

So, with the trade option off the table, is it better to lose him for nothing, or extend him, and try and augment the roster around them with the JT money, and re-assess down the road?

I’m not even 100% convinced we try.
Management has shown to react like tree stumps for something going on for 8 years.

 

[ToneDog]

c'mon, you better check out Ovie playoff state. playoff chokers do not mean a playoff no-show

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Marner

Nylander

 

[Drytoast]

100% think we will try.

99% convinced he won't waive.

So, with the trade option off the table, is it better to lose him for nothing, or extend him, and try and augment the roster around them with the JT money, and re-assess down the road?

Yes. For 11M you could have a Hyman and Schenn. Bunting and Kerfoot...basically you can poach some decent mid piece from a club who is also cash strapped and who deserves a pay bump.

So yes. Marner is not more valuable than his 11M cap hit and his contract expectations that he will have to stay here. If he reupped for 5M, sure. he can stay. Anything more than 5M...there is the door Mitch. Go find your value somewhere else.

f*** em. And take your agent with ya, Mitchy.

 

[ToneDog]

100% think we will try.

99% convinced he won't waive.

So, with the trade option off the table, is it better to lose him for nothing, or extend him, and try and augment the roster around them with the JT money, and re-assess down the road?

Tampa forced out McDonough who can still play in the playoffs. Leafs can force Marner if need be. If not, let him play out the season and let him walk. Use his and Tavares' cap hits to surround 34 and 88 with players who do not disappear in April. Resigning him for $12+m is insanity.

 

[Arzak]

saw this on twitter and found it to be absolutely HILARIOUS

ROFL

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned we can through in JT to sweeten the deal

 

[Larcos_Unal]

A mistake for whom?
You better believe that if he hits the open market, he's going to have a ton of takers and teams willing to splash big on him.

Yes, July 1st is typically when GMs make most of their blunders.

 

[ToneDog]

We are now at a place where his 11M in cap space is more valuable than he is. He is a net negative on the ice in the games that matter. Shy in the corners and a parameter player. Can't win with that.

FYP

 

[ToneDog]

If our options are overpay 12M+ or lose for nothing, I'm choosing the latter.

Price matching a MacKinnon contract without playoff results is not palatable in any fashion. Winning matters a lot and it's time we act like it.

It is laughable when you watch MacK and Marner in the playoffs. Let somebody else pay to watch him shit the bed in April.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Tampa forced out McDonough who can still play in the playoffs. Leafs can force Marner if need be. If not, let him play out the season and let him walk. Use his and Tavares' cap hits to surround 34 and 88 with players who do not disappear in April. Resigning him for $12+m is insanity.

There's many examples of teams forcing players out, making tough decisions on longstanding pros. It's usually done cause rather than blindly paying a player what he wants, the GM will prioritize what's best for the team's success...Leafs rarely adhere to this unless we're talking about Robidas Island.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Tampa forced out McDonough who can still play in the playoffs. Leafs can force Marner if need be. If not, let him play out the season and let him walk. Use his and Tavares' cap hits to surround 34 and 88 with players who do not disappear in April. Resigning him for $12+m is insanity.

Agree 100%.

A more interesting poll would be not will he be traded, but should he be kept in Toronto going forward, or ditched as soon as possible. I would expect that to be overwhelmingly in favor of moving forward without him, but would also be interesting to hear the case for giving him another long term contract for top dollar which is what it would take to keep him. I mean it's yet another lengthy miserable off-season, I could do with the laughs.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

It is laughable when you watch MacK and Marner in the playoffs. Let somebody else pay to watch him shit the bed in April.

You take Mitch's money and you sign 2 top 4 dmen. When Tavares is up, there's another $11m for depth/goaltending.

 

[Tak7]

I’m not even 100% convinced we try.
Management has shown to react like tree stumps for something going on for 8 years.

In theory, "trying" should amount simply to a conversation or two about where he stands and if he'd be willing to move.

Having Treliving here, instead of Dubas, should also make it easier for the Leafs to approach the Marner camp, as it's not the same GM / regime that offered that deal.

At the very least, it's due diligence.

 

[ACC1224]

Tampa forced out McDonough who can still play in the playoffs. Leafs can force Marner if need be. If not, let him play out the season and let him walk. Use his and Tavares' cap hits to surround 34 and 88 with players who do not disappear in April. Resigning him for $12+m is insanity.

McDonagh didn't have a NMC.

 

[notdoneyet]

Tampa forced out McDonough who can still play in the playoffs. Leafs can force Marner if need be. If not, let him play out the season and let him walk. Use his and Tavares' cap hits to surround 34 and 88 with players who do not disappear in April. Resigning him for $12+m is insanity.

34 disappears as much as Mitch in the playoffs
Not impressed with his stats

 

[Tak7]

Yes. For 11M you could have a Hyman and Schenn. Bunting and Kerfoot...basically you can poach some decent mid piece from a club who is also cash strapped and who deserves a pay bump.

True, but for $11M you could also have Kerfoot, Holl, and Ceci.

Point is, blowing a huge hole in the lineup in favor of $11m in cap space doesn't make you better. Spending that money wisely, does, but building through free agency is often a fool's errand - which is why I'd much prefer trying to facilitate a trade where the Leafs get something tangible and cost-controlled back that they can insert straight into the core.

It would never happen, but something along the lines of a Clayton Keller player in return.

Tampa forced out McDonough who can still play in the playoffs. Leafs can force Marner if need be. If not, let him play out the season and let him walk. Use his and Tavares' cap hits to surround 34 and 88 with players who do not disappear in April. Resigning him for $12+m is insanity.

I generally agree, and would prefer the trade route - just pointing out that losing him for nothing is worst case scenario imo.

I don't believe no Marner + $11m in cap space is a net positive.

 

[Drytoast]

True, but for $11M you could also have Kerfoot, Holl, and Ceci.

Point is, blowing a huge hole in the lineup in favor of $11m in cap space doesn't make you better. Spending that money wisely, does, but building through free agency is often a fool's errand - which is why I'd much prefer trying to facilitate a trade where the Leafs get something tangible and cost-controlled back that they can insert straight into the core.

It would never happen, but something along the lines of a Clayton Keller player in return.


I generally agree, and would prefer the trade route - just pointing out that losing him for nothing is worst case scenario imo.

I don't believe no Marner + $11m in cap space is a net positive.

Naw resigning him for Nylander's value would be worst case scenario. His cap hit is more valuable than he is now.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I don't believe no Marner + $11m in cap space is a net positive.

This only applies to regular season stat padding, in the playoffs Mitch is a literal ghost

 

[Tak7]

Naw resigning him for Nylander's value would be worst case scenario. His cap hit is more valuable than he is now.

Let's agree to disagree here.

$11m is nice, but you now have a huge hole in your lineup for someone who eats a lot of minutes, plays in all situations, and goes up against the oppo's top players. That's not something that's easily replaced, which is why, ideally, the trade route, where you can replace at least 1 or 2 of those aspects, is the best case scenario here, and him walking away for nothing, is the worst.

 

[frizzer1]

I’d like to see them resign Marner but not with a NMC.

 

[Gary Nylund]

True, but for $11M you could also have Kerfoot, Holl, and Ceci.

Point is, blowing a huge hole in the lineup in favor of $11m in cap space doesn't make you better. Spending that money wisely, does, but building through free agency is often a fool's errand - which is why I'd much prefer trying to facilitate a trade where the Leafs get something tangible and cost-controlled back that they can insert straight into the core.

It would never happen, but something along the lines of a Clayton Keller player in return.

I generally agree, and would prefer the trade route - just pointing out that losing him for nothing is worst case scenario imo.

I don't believe no Marner + $11m in cap space is a net positive.

Just because it's possible to spend cap space unwisely, doesn't mean cap space isn't extremely valuable. Instead of Kerfoot Holl and Ceci, you could have Hyman, Domi and Schenn just as an example.

I take 11m in cap space over Marner myself. And if Marner refuses to waive his NMC, the choice is more like either sign Marner for 12-13 million for 8 years, or let him walk and take the cap space and for me, that decision is super easy.

I'm with O'Dog - I want no part of Marner going forward.

 

[ToneDog]

McDonagh didn't have a NMC.

Are you sure?

• 2022-Jul-03 Traded from Tampa Bay Lightning to Nashville Predators for Grant Mismash and Philippe Myers

And look at those huge bonuses other teams do not need to dish out on July 1st.

 

[ACC1224]

Are you sure?

• 2022-Jul-03 Traded from Tampa Bay Lightning to Nashville Predators for Grant Mismash and Philippe Myers

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And look at those huge bonuses other teams do not need to dish out on July 1st.

Yes. You even provided the proof.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Let's agree to disagree here.

$11m is nice, but you now have a huge hole in your lineup for someone who eats a lot of minutes, plays in all situations, and goes up against the oppo's top players. That's not something that's easily replaced, which is why, ideally, the trade route, where you can replace at least 1 or 2 of those aspects, is the best case scenario here, and him walking away for nothing, is the worst.

That's regular season. In the playoffs, you have someone who just doesn't do much tp help the team win and is worth nowhere close to his cap hit. The bigger the games get, the less useful Marner becomes so if you want playoff success, you're better off spending the money elsewhere.

Maybe he'll "figure it out" but we've been saying that for years. Signing him to another lengthy bog money deal in the hopes that it finally happens one of these years seems like a really, really bad idea.

 

[ToneDog]

True, but for $11M you could also have Kerfoot, Holl, and Ceci.

Point is, blowing a huge hole in the lineup in favor of $11m in cap space doesn't make you better. Spending that money wisely, does, but building through free agency is often a fool's errand - which is why I'd much prefer trying to facilitate a trade where the Leafs get something tangible and cost-controlled back that they can insert straight into the core.

It would never happen, but something along the lines of a Clayton Keller player in return.


I generally agree, and would prefer the trade route - just pointing out that losing him for nothing is worst case scenario imo.

I don't believe no Marner + $11m in cap space is a net positive.

We overpaid to keep Willie because Tre said it was our best option. Clearly it was not and you cannot make the same mistake with Mitch. If you overpay him, you might get even less if you to subsequently try to trade him. He needs to go before the draft if possible IMO.

 

[Nineteen67]

People still don’t understand what the movement clauses mean.