For Mitch Marner to sign with the Leafs.Ideally what do the leafs want here?
I met Jagr when he was 18 years old. I even had a couple of drinks at a bar in PA with him after the cops ignored the fact he was underage.@Notsince67
"Size is a bit over rated in projecting players. It helps but a lot of projections were made on size alone and they were wrong."
I didn't say a thing about making projections on size alone. You decided to compare Marner to Jagr. I said that it was a bad comparison. I also said that your claim that Jagr came into the NHL as a tank was wrong. He was big, but didn't use his size. He relied on talent and finesse when he entered the NHL - which had been more than enough to bring him success before he made it to the NHL. It took him several years to both develop strength and learn how to use his size.
I watched almost every NHL game Mario played. I watched almost every game Jagr played for the Pens. I have watched almost every game Matthews has played in the NHL. Lots of people made the claim - for each of them - that because of their size when they entered the NHL that they were near full potential (although oddly the opposite claim was made for Laine). That claim was completely wrong for Mario and Jagr (and I suspect will be just as wrong for Matthews) who were actually further from their peak potential than most other stars who are able to step into a big role in their D+1.
"Gretzky was 145 lbs soaking wet when he played his first pro game, in a much more physical era. Crosby is a lot smaller than Matthews. Players who aren't big just play a different game."
This has nothing to do with what I said. I never said that smaller players couldn't play in the NHL. I said that a small player like Marner shouldn't be compared to a big player like Jagr when it comes to development. Just as you shouldn't compare Marner to a late developing player when it comes to development.
4 first round picks.Ideally what do the leafs want here?
Aho signed an offer sheet. He's a big name.A month ago Bob McKenzie said he didnt expect any of the big name RFAs to sign until September. Hes half way there
I met Jagr when he was 18 years old. I even had a couple of drinks at a bar in PA with him after the cops ignored the fact he was underage.
Anything else?
Aho signed an offer sheet. He's a big name.
I met him through Wregget, Tocchet and Stevens. Anything else?Irrelevant. If you think he was a tank or played like a tank when he entered the NHL you didn't watch him play. Jagr was great at deking around players. But he was manhandled by players half his size.
I met him through Wregget, Tocchet and Stevens. Anything else?
It was late winter of 92. If anything, he just turned 20. I only remember 18 because that is what they said he was. I know he was built like a tank because I was bigger than Tocchet and Jagr made me look smallishIrrelevant. If you think he was a tank or played like a tank when he entered the NHL you didn't watch him play. Jagr was great at deking around players. But he was manhandled by players half his size.
(although when Tocchet and Wregget joined the Pens Jagr was already 20)
Looking forward to his holdout next summer.
Hope I'm wrong but IMO. Not going to happen any time soon. I'll be surprised if this is done by training camp.
it sure is lucky the guy you hate is the only person to blame for a negotiation involving several peopleIt sure is looking like it.
There's one person to blame that on and that's the GM.
In the past calendar year, he's shown he's quite OK with breaking precedents with both contracts (Matthews) and holdouts (Nylander) ....
If you're Marner's agent, why wouldn't you try to exploit the same weakness Dubas has shown already?
it sure is lucky the guy you hate is the only person to blame for a negotiation involving several people
- Girard faces marginally more difficult usage (and I do mean marginally, near identical)