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He is fast and has good playmaking ability.

Terrible goal scoring numbers though and I can't imagine he amounts to anything beyond being the AHL/ECHL depth guy he will be for us next year. Would not be surprised if we looked at Guttman, Walker, and possibly Stapley, saw we were not getting any of them on an AHL deal, and just turned to the next tier of guys to fill the last depth forward spot we had.

He enters into a competition for the last Marlies spot.
 
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Strengths

The Leafs have built up a prospect pool with talent and depth all over, but the wings are where they see their work pay off. All three forward positions look fairly strong, but with centers such as Hirvonen and Mikhail Abramov looking as if they may wind up playing wing at the pro level, they are bolstered on the flanks even more.


Robertson and Joey Anderson could have legitimate shots at making the NHL roster out of camp. Abruzzese will likely factor into the lineup at some point. Knies was one of the biggest surprises in college hockey last season. Dmitri Ovchinnikov is an incredibly exciting prospect who plays a good two-way game at a high pace. Veeti Miettinen is a highly skilled forward who has looked very good in the NCAA. All this and Amirov, possibly the most talented of the bunch is recovering from a major health issue and should be back on the ice this year.

Weaknesses

While center is a soft spot in the prospect pool, the biggest weak spot for the Leafs has been goaltender for a long time.
Erik Källgren was a nice addition last year but he was signed out of the SHL and likely tops out as a good backup considering he turns 26 in October. Joseph Woll has been injury prone and inconsistent which has hurt his case as a legitimate prospect. The Leafs have looked to Russia in recent drafts taking Artur Akhtyamov and Vyachslav Peska but both are at least a few years away, as most goalies are, and neither really brings the promise of a starting goalie. With goaltending, specifically of the homegrown variety, having been an issue in Toronto for so long, it should be a bigger priority for the Leafs. Maybe 25-year-old Ilya Samsonov can be the answer after he signed with the club this summer.

Next Man Up: LW Nick Robertson

The American winger is only 20 years old, but Robertson feels he’s been around forever. A second-round pick in 2019, Robertson has been in the AHL for the last two seasons and has flashed the offensive prowess and high-motor forechecking game that he was known for coming out of the OHL but injuries have slowed him in each of the last two years. Robertson has also seen time at the NHL level, having played in the ‘Bubble Playoffs’ and then received cups of coffee in the regular season each of the past two years.

With the Leafs having an opening in their forward group, specifically on the left side, Robertson could be the answer. After a strong finish to his season last year and another offseason of training, the young goal scorer should be heavily looked at to fill the void in the forward group. If he can, he would provide a new element of danger and add to a second powerplay unit that has struggled over the last couple of years.

Prospect Depth Chart Notables

LW: Nick Robertson, Matthew Knies, Nick Abruzzese, Rodion Amirov, Dmitri Ovchinnikov
C: Roni Hirvonen, Mikhail Abramov, Fraser Minton, Ryan Tverberg
RW: Joey Anderson, Veeti Miettinen, Nicholas Moldenhauer
LD: Filip Král, Mikko Kokkonen, Mike Koster
RD: Topi Niemelä, William Villeneuve, Alex Rindell, Kalle Loponen
G: Erik Källgren, Joseph Woll, Artur Akhtyamov, Vyachslav Peska
 
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I don’t get it. So ovechkinov terminates his contract with sibir, signs elc with leafs. Was it leverage to get guaranteed playing time with the khl club? More control in his development? More money for ovechkinov?
 

Strengths

The Leafs have built up a prospect pool with talent and depth all over, but the wings are where they see their work pay off. All three forward positions look fairly strong, but with centers such as Hirvonen and Mikhail Abramov looking as if they may wind up playing wing at the pro level, they are bolstered on the flanks even more.


Robertson and Joey Anderson could have legitimate shots at making the NHL roster out of camp. Abruzzese will likely factor into the lineup at some point. Knies was one of the biggest surprises in college hockey last season. Dmitri Ovchinnikov is an incredibly exciting prospect who plays a good two-way game at a high pace. Veeti Miettinen is a highly skilled forward who has looked very good in the NCAA. All this and Amirov, possibly the most talented of the bunch is recovering from a major health issue and should be back on the ice this year.

Weaknesses

While center is a soft spot in the prospect pool, the biggest weak spot for the Leafs has been goaltender for a long time.
Erik Källgren was a nice addition last year but he was signed out of the SHL and likely tops out as a good backup considering he turns 26 in October. Joseph Woll has been injury prone and inconsistent which has hurt his case as a legitimate prospect. The Leafs have looked to Russia in recent drafts taking Artur Akhtyamov and Vyachslav Peska but both are at least a few years away, as most goalies are, and neither really brings the promise of a starting goalie. With goaltending, specifically of the homegrown variety, having been an issue in Toronto for so long, it should be a bigger priority for the Leafs. Maybe 25-year-old Ilya Samsonov can be the answer after he signed with the club this summer.

Next Man Up: LW Nick Robertson

The American winger is only 20 years old, but Robertson feels he’s been around forever. A second-round pick in 2019, Robertson has been in the AHL for the last two seasons and has flashed the offensive prowess and high-motor forechecking game that he was known for coming out of the OHL but injuries have slowed him in each of the last two years. Robertson has also seen time at the NHL level, having played in the ‘Bubble Playoffs’ and then received cups of coffee in the regular season each of the past two years.

With the Leafs having an opening in their forward group, specifically on the left side, Robertson could be the answer. After a strong finish to his season last year and another offseason of training, the young goal scorer should be heavily looked at to fill the void in the forward group. If he can, he would provide a new element of danger and add to a second powerplay unit that has struggled over the last couple of years.

Prospect Depth Chart Notables

LW: Nick Robertson, Matthew Knies, Nick Abruzzese, Rodion Amirov, Dmitri Ovchinnikov
C: Roni Hirvonen, Mikhail Abramov, Fraser Minton, Ryan Tverberg
RW: Joey Anderson, Veeti Miettinen, Nicholas Moldenhauer
LD: Filip Král, Mikko Kokkonen, Mike Koster
RD: Topi Niemelä, William Villeneuve, Alex Rindell, Kalle Loponen
G: Erik Källgren, Joseph Woll, Artur Akhtyamov, Vyachslav Peska
Things are looking pretty solid prospect wise forsure. No unreal prospects but tons of solid picks and depth. A few guys could potentially turn into very good key players.

C depth needs some work but goaltending like stated has been rough for way too long. Hopefully they finally hit on 1 or 2 of these guys.

Right D and LW actually looks really promising and it's also what the Leafs need right now. Maybe a couple guys in a couple more years can fill big roles in those holes too.

Starting this year I'm hoping Robertson has a big camp. Still needs to work on some things but he's proven in every league but the NHL he can stick. Big year for him.
 
Really not impressed wiry Niemala



××× as soon as I say this.. he makes a great pass ×××
 
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Why not, he's been Finland's best player tonight, the guy has been putting many shots on net, creating chances all game, very calm in own end. Maybe we are watching different games.
Not sure how someone can't be impressed. He plays such a composed game with flashes of brilliance. Maybe some are expecting him to play up and down exciting hockey but thats not him. He played his best game today
 
Easily Niemela's best game of the tournament. I thought he had mixed results this tourney but that was a near perfect game from him. The more he plays the better he plays.

Games against Canada/USA/etc. are the few instances in a short tourney where you can actually draw conclusions about players' NHL futures. Hirvonen did better against weaker teams, but disappeared against the big dogs. Good tourney from him, but basically reinforced my concerns about him (skating, doesn't move his feet enough).

1) Steeves, 2) Hirvonen, 3) Holmberg

IMO.
 
He was good.. true steady eddie approach

Few things should get better over the next couple years but the thought process and puck choices are there
 

Strengths

The Leafs have built up a prospect pool with talent and depth all over, but the wings are where they see their work pay off. All three forward positions look fairly strong, but with centers such as Hirvonen and Mikhail Abramov looking as if they may wind up playing wing at the pro level, they are bolstered on the flanks even more.


Robertson and Joey Anderson could have legitimate shots at making the NHL roster out of camp. Abruzzese will likely factor into the lineup at some point. Knies was one of the biggest surprises in college hockey last season. Dmitri Ovchinnikov is an incredibly exciting prospect who plays a good two-way game at a high pace. Veeti Miettinen is a highly skilled forward who has looked very good in the NCAA. All this and Amirov, possibly the most talented of the bunch is recovering from a major health issue and should be back on the ice this year.

Weaknesses

While center is a soft spot in the prospect pool, the biggest weak spot for the Leafs has been goaltender for a long time.
Erik Källgren was a nice addition last year but he was signed out of the SHL and likely tops out as a good backup considering he turns 26 in October. Joseph Woll has been injury prone and inconsistent which has hurt his case as a legitimate prospect. The Leafs have looked to Russia in recent drafts taking Artur Akhtyamov and Vyachslav Peska but both are at least a few years away, as most goalies are, and neither really brings the promise of a starting goalie. With goaltending, specifically of the homegrown variety, having been an issue in Toronto for so long, it should be a bigger priority for the Leafs. Maybe 25-year-old Ilya Samsonov can be the answer after he signed with the club this summer.

Next Man Up: LW Nick Robertson

The American winger is only 20 years old, but Robertson feels he’s been around forever. A second-round pick in 2019, Robertson has been in the AHL for the last two seasons and has flashed the offensive prowess and high-motor forechecking game that he was known for coming out of the OHL but injuries have slowed him in each of the last two years. Robertson has also seen time at the NHL level, having played in the ‘Bubble Playoffs’ and then received cups of coffee in the regular season each of the past two years.

With the Leafs having an opening in their forward group, specifically on the left side, Robertson could be the answer. After a strong finish to his season last year and another offseason of training, the young goal scorer should be heavily looked at to fill the void in the forward group. If he can, he would provide a new element of danger and add to a second powerplay unit that has struggled over the last couple of years.

Prospect Depth Chart Notables

LW: Nick Robertson, Matthew Knies, Nick Abruzzese, Rodion Amirov, Dmitri Ovchinnikov
C: Roni Hirvonen, Mikhail Abramov, Fraser Minton, Ryan Tverberg
RW: Joey Anderson, Veeti Miettinen, Nicholas Moldenhauer
LD: Filip Král, Mikko Kokkonen, Mike Koster
RD: Topi Niemelä, William Villeneuve, Alex Rindell, Kalle Loponen
G: Erik Källgren, Joseph Woll, Artur Akhtyamov, Vyachslav Peska
I think this is a pretty good summary of the Leafs prospect pool but they forgot about Hildeby.

I'm no goalie expert so please tell me if I'm way off but Hildeby looks like a decent prospect. I would have him ahead of the Russian goalies and I'm losing hope that Woll will accomplish anything at the NHL level. Am I wrong in my thinking?
 
Yes. Woll was 3-1 last year in his NHL games.
Haha fair enough. But that would be a very simplistic way of looking at it. He also has a 24-30 record in the ahl with a sub 900 sv%. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just don't see him making a major impact at this point. Maybe like a Ben Scivens kind of career. But I'm open to hearing why you think he is better than that.

Also my original comment was more about Hildeby than Woll.
 
Haha fair enough. But that would be a very simplistic way of looking at it. He also has a 24-30 record in the ahl with a sub 900 sv%. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just don't see him making a major impact at this point. Maybe like a Ben Scivens kind of career. But I'm open to hearing why you think he is better than that.

Also my original comment was more about Hildeby than Woll.

He had a .907 last year, and hasn't had the benefit for a good defense in the AHL at any point.

He could very well be better in the NHL than in the AHL.
 
He had a .907 last year, and hasn't had the benefit for a good defense in the AHL at any point.

He could very well be better in the NHL than in the AHL.

He was 3-1 for sure but wasn't his games primarily against non playoff teams ?

I think there was this one game where leafs scored 7 goals or something against the Sabres for him to win
 
I think this is a pretty good summary of the Leafs prospect pool but they forgot about Hildeby.

I'm no goalie expert so please tell me if I'm way off but Hildeby looks like a decent prospect. I would have him ahead of the Russian goalies and I'm losing hope that Woll will accomplish anything at the NHL level. Am I wrong in my thinking?
Woll took a decent step last year. He was less aggressive in his side to side movement, did a better job of staying upright and in position and rebound control. I would say his puck tracking still needs work. He went from a .892sv% to a .907 with the Marlies and had a solid NHL debut going 3-1 with a .911sv%.

He still has a fantastic toolset to work with, as well as his size, athleticism and a good head on his shoulders. He should not be written off yet. He's 24 and most goalies don't make an impact till they're about 26 or so with most hitting their prime closer to 28-30. Having said that, he needs to have a big year for the Leafs to keep him around with Petruzzelli, McKay and Hildeby putting pressure on him to steal his job going forward. Or else we could possibly see him either busting or making his NHL impact with someone else in a few years.
 
Woll took a decent step last year. He was less aggressive in his side to side movement, did a better job of staying upright and in position and rebound control. I would say his puck tracking still needs work. He went from a .892sv% to a .907 with the Marlies and had a solid NHL debut going 3-1 with a .911sv%.

He still has a fantastic toolset to work with, as well as his size, athleticism and a good head on his shoulders. He should not be written off yet. He's 24 and most goalies don't make an impact till they're about 26 or so with most hitting their prime closer to 28-30. Having said that, he needs to have a big year for the Leafs to keep him around with Petruzzelli, McKay and Hildeby putting pressure on him to steal his job going forward. Or else we could possibly see him either busting or making his NHL impact with someone else in a few years.
Off topic but since you're one of the few I trust on goalies here, from what you have seen, do you think Murray and/or are Samsanov are salvagable. See anything technical wise you believe that makes you confident?
 
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Off topic but since you're one of the few I trust on goalies here, from what you have seen, do you think Murray and/or are Samsanov are salvagable. See anything technical wise you believe that makes you confident?
Murray is a blocking style goalie. He is not overly active. Gets into position and makes himself large to make the stop as opposed to a more athletic reactionary style like a hybrid goalie. Guys like Rask, Campbell, quick etc. I would like to see him adopt a more reactionary style to add to what he is now so he is not overly dependent on just being in position. Guys like him and Reimer have weak glove hands because I believe they are relying too much on positioning. It seems like once they're set, the glove doesn't move.

Imo he is a very solid goalie who could use a little tweaking to his game just like that Woodley article had suggested. He's had some bad luck with injuries as well as him losing his game after his dad died. If he can stay healthy and is reinvigorated by playing for his favourite team as well as being reunited with his favourite goalie coach I think he could be very solid for us and have a chance to be a top 7-15 goalie. Which is what we need from him. He is not as bad as a lot of posters think he is from reading into his numbers too much on a bottom feeder last year and he has a proven track record of showing up in playoffs.

As for Samsonov, up til now I haven't been overly high on him. I would say he is more the opposite of Murray. Very athletic goalie with good tools but he can be a little too active. One thing I haven't liked watching him in the past is that there is times where he gets beat from clean shots that he could've stopped but looked like he wasn't confident to make the save and looked like he was chasing the puck as opposed to being ahead of it. A lot of this just comes with maturity and experience.

He has acknowledged that his game needs refining which is the first step. He is still young and has 1st round pedigree which had me excited when we signed him because he still has a chance to grow into his game like a Demko. Curtis Sanford seems to have done a great job with a few of Vancouver's goalies so I'm excited to see what he can do with both our guys. Having him as a backup at 1.8M I think will turn out to be a great signing.

I think both guys are capable of putting up numbers around a .918.
 
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Murray is a blocking style goalie. He is not overly active. Gets into position and makes himself large to make the stop as opposed to a more athletic reactionary style like a hybrid goalie. Guys like Rask, Campbell, quick etc. I would like to see him adopt a more reactionary style to add to what he is now so he is not overly dependent on just being in position. Guys like him and Reimer have weak glove hands because I believe they are relying too much on positioning. It seems like once they're set, the glove doesn't move.

Imo he is a very solid goalie who could use a little tweaking to his game just like that Woodley article had suggested. He's had some bad luck with injuries as well as him losing his game after his dad died. If he can stay healthy and is reinvigorated by playing for his favourite team as well as being reunited with his favourite goalie coach I think he could be very solid for us and have a chance to be a top 7-15 goalie. Which is what we need from him. He is not as bad as a lot of posters think he is from reading into his numbers too much on a bottom feeder last year and he has a proven track record of showing up in playoffs.

As for Samsonov, up til now I haven't been overly high on him. I would say he is more the opposite of Murray. Very athletic goalie with good tools but he can be a little too active. One thing I haven't liked watching him in the past is that there is times where he gets beat from clean shots that he could've stopped but looked like he wasn't confident to make the save and looked like he was chasing the puck as opposed to being ahead of it. A lot of this just comes with maturity and experience.

He has acknowledged that his game needs refining which is the first step. He is still young and has 1st round pedigree which had me excited when we signed him because he still has a chance to grow into his game like a Demko. Curtis Sanford seems to have done a great job with a few of Vancouver's goalies so I'm excited to see what he can do with both our guys. Having him as a backup at 1.8M I think will turn out to be a great signing.

I think both guys are capable of putting up numbers around a .918.
Great info and detail. Nice to hear it from someone more in tune with this:)
I'm personally confident in Murray just gut feel. Samsonov we'll see I guess
 
Great info and detail. Nice to hear it from someone more in tune with this:)
I'm personally confident in Murray just gut feel. Samsonov we'll see I guess

I'm the opposite :laugh:

I mean I think the tandem will be more stable than this past year but I think Samsonov might be better in the end. Total crapshoot.

One thing I will say is Samsonov did get hit hard with COVID mid-January. His numbers were up and down to that point but they went really bad after that. Wonder if an off-season of recovering/training will help get him back into better form.
 
I think this is a pretty good summary of the Leafs prospect pool but they forgot about Hildeby.

I'm no goalie expert so please tell me if I'm way off but Hildeby looks like a decent prospect. I would have him ahead of the Russian goalies and I'm losing hope that Woll will accomplish anything at the NHL level. Am I wrong in my thinking?
I hope so... this year we need to see some tangible career progress from Woll.
 
I think that would be fantastic if even one of them put up that save %.
Even if both guys around a .910, that's probably all we need. We got 115 pts last year even with Mrazek being hot garbage, Campbell being sub par for like 70% of the season and 2 AHL goalies putting up around a .910.

We score a ton, we've been defending well, just need the goalies to even play average.
 
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