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Fogelhund said:
We will have to draft some D next year, of find a way to start adding some D to our prospect system for sure.

You look back and see our drafted D, that played much in the NHL and it's;

2002 Ian White
2005 Stralman
2006 Holzer
2007 Gunnarsson
2008 Pateryn
2008 Schenn
2012 Rielly
2015 Dermott
2017 Sandin
2018 Liljegren
2018 Durzi

Lessons are.. be patient with D, and don't give them away too soon.

Not a single D drafted the last two years, but that's ok, we needed forwards too.
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I mean it wasn't long ago when we complained there were no LWers in the system and now we're flush them Roberston, Knies, and Amirov (hopefully).

It's why BPA is good. Draft quality prospects and can, at the very least, allow you to deal from a position of strength when there's a roster need.
 
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BertCorbeau said:
It's encouraging he's worked on his defensive game to become well rounded. He already has some nice offensive tools with a good shot, and I thought he was a pretty solid skater for his size.

Really hoping he can be a steady two-way middle pairing d-man if he progresses well.
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He has a lot of tools suggesting that he can one day be a player for us, he just needs to put on some weight. 6'2" 180 lbs... if he can put on 20lbs or so, he'd be a very useful player one day... as long as it doesn't impede his skating.
 
As long as Sandin Liljegren Niemela develop into quality top 4 guys to join Rielly I don't see any huge urgency for more dmen prospects.
 
zeke said:
As long as Sandin Liljegren Niemela develop into quality top 4 guys to join Rielly I don't see any huge urgency for more dmen prospects.
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I'd like to think those 3 could - but nothing's a guarantee. I don't think there's an urgency to go outside of a BPA strategy either. But I like the idea of maintaining a flow of talent in the pipeline.
 
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Fogelhund said:
We will have to draft some D next year, of find a way to start adding some D to our prospect system for sure.

You look back and see our drafted D, that played much in the NHL and it's;

2002 Ian White
2005 Stralman
2006 Holzer
2007 Gunnarsson
2008 Pateryn
2008 Schenn
2012 Rielly
2015 Dermott
2017 Sandin
2018 Liljegren
2018 Durzi

Lessons are.. be patient with D, and don't give them away too soon.

Not a single D drafted the last two years, but that's ok, we needed forwards too.
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We didn't really need wingers though, and we have not really taking guys I think are confidently going to be centers. Abramov, Abruzzese and Hirvonen can probably do it, although the latter two may end up as LW's too. Not as convinced about Holmberg and Minten personally, but at this point, we can afford to try them there. I guess we did sign Kressler and Douglas too.

I do not mind Moldenhauer in that range (he is a late-3rd prospect), but when you can get Lisowsky in the 7th and guys like Jelsma are going undrafted (or Voit in the 5th, Tverberg in the 7th, Holmberg in the 6th, etc.), I think you can pass him over for a guy like George, Koromyslov, or Forsmark. Furlong, Kudryavtsev, or Grudinin would have been significantly better than taking Grebyonkin too.

Maybe all of those defensemen bust and our wingers work out, but I do not think the risk is really any larger going with those defensemen and the reward is significantly better. Considering we do well enough finding wingers through other means, either by bargain bin shopping or signing UFA prospects, and most of the time (besides guys like Robertson, Voit, and Knies) the winger is not even the BPA anyways, I do not think we need to spend a ton of assets on wingers like we do.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
We didn't really need wingers though, and we have not really taking guys I think are confidently going to be centers. Abramov, Abruzzese and Hirvonen can probably do it, although the latter two may end up as LW's too. Not as convinced about Holmberg and Minten personally, but at this point, we can afford to try them there. I guess we did sign Kressler and Douglas too.

I do not mind Moldenhauer in that range (he is a late-3rd prospect), but when you can get Lisowsky in the 7th and guys like Jelsma are going undrafted (or Voit in the 5th, Tverberg in the 7th, Holmberg in the 6th, etc.), I think you can pass him over for a guy like George, Koromyslov, or Forsmark. Furlong, Kudryavtsev, or Grudinin would have been significantly better than taking Grebyonkin too.

Maybe all of those defensemen bust and our wingers work out, but I do not think the risk is really any larger going with those defensemen and the reward is significantly better. Considering we do well enough finding wingers through other means, either by bargain bin shopping or signing UFA prospects, and most of the time (besides guys like Robertson, Voit, and Knies) the winger is not even the BPA anyways, I do not think we need to spend a ton of assets on wingers like we do.
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I wonder how much of that is a bit of a blind eye in Dubas' drafting .. the upside of some of those wingers being too hard to pass up.
 
zeke said:
As long as Sandin Liljegren Niemela develop into quality top 4 guys to join Rielly I don't see any huge urgency for more dmen prospects.
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I think Niemela is at least 2 years away from being a real NHLer.
Reilly will be...30ish, who needs his skating to be a real impact.

I think you need to keep drafting D, with the understanding that if we dont start sucking, we aren't dropping in the top 20.

This usually means drafting a 18 y.o and knowing they wont even sniff the NHL for 3 or more years, if ever.

Guys we draft next year probably wont be NHLers until Reilly is 3...3?

My ideal draft is 4F, 2D, 1G or 5F 2D.
 
zeke said:
Dubas Drafts:

C: 11
LW: 5
RW: 5
LD: 4
RD: 7
G: 4
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I find that hard to believe.

SDA, Stotts, and Holmberg.

Abramov, Abruzzese.

Hirvonen, Schingoethe, and Miller.

Minten.

That is only 9, one has already busted, and most of the remaining are probably not even going to stick at center..
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I find that hard to believe.

SDA, Stotts, and Holmberg.

Abramov, Abruzzese.

Hirvonen, Schingoethe, and Miller.

Minten.

That is only 9, one has already busted, and most of the remaining are probably not even going to stick at center..
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Tverberg and McGregor.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I find that hard to believe.

SDA, Stotts, and Holmberg.

Abramov, Abruzzese.

Hirvonen, Schingoethe, and Miller.

Minten.

That is only 9, one has already busted, and most of the remaining are probably not even going to stick at center..
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Ovchinnikov and Tverberg were both Cs on draft day.

But yes, C prospects often move to the W.
 
zeke said:
Ovchinnikov and Tverberg were both Cs on draft day.

But yes, C prospects often move to the W.
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Meh, I think they were fooling themselves if they thought they were going to be centers. It was like saying Marner was going to be a center... Everyone knew he was going to be a winger.
 
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andora said:
Speaking from the scrimmage

Knies and minten have some work to do but their physical abilities clearly stood out. Minten could gain more foot speed and knies was trying to do too much at times.. maybe a bit of conditioning as well

Rifai looked good, showed a calm game and simple plays which is good. He did have a crispness to his game

Villeneuve looked really good in my opinion, someone said on here recently you dont notice him until you look at the box score.. good assessment. Had a very quiet game but has psoitioning, can skate, can turn well for his size and was good at reading. There was definitely a crispness to him

Max Ellis looked great, good energy and can work down low. Not afraid to go east west or north south. He very much reminded me of versteeg .. has some skill but yoj can see work ethic.

Voit Tverberg and moldenhauer showed some flashes and some work ethic

Twins were good.. definitely some skill but they did show their size..

Cant say any other name that stood outI watched
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Beauty end to end goal by Grebenkin goal at 1:53:14. He kind of floated around a lot in this game but you can see the skill/skating is pretty decent, doesn't play with much jam at all.
 
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Appears that TOR is signing G TJ Semptimphelter from Dev Camp.

Interesting because the crease at the Pro Level is already crowded and the Leafs are at 48/50 contacts with Sandin still unsigned - and Semptimphelter is Pro eligible and wouldn't slide since he's an '02... maybe/hopefully just an AHL deal in that case.
 
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Duke16 said:
Appears that TOR is signing G TJ Semptimphelter from Dev Camp.

Interesting because the crease at the Pro Level is already crowded and the Leafs are at 48/50 contacts with Sandin still unsigned - and Semptimphelter is Pro eligible and wouldn't slide since he's an '02... maybe/hopefully just an AHL deal in that case.
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Usually they don’t give these dev camp guys an ELC… I’d expect an AHL deal with a shot to play on the Growlers
 
Duke16 said:
Appears that TOR is signing G TJ Semptimphelter from Dev Camp.

Interesting because the crease at the Pro Level is already crowded and the Leafs are at 48/50 contacts with Sandin still unsigned - and Semptimphelter is Pro eligible and wouldn't slide since he's an '02... maybe/hopefully just an AHL deal in that case.
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It's most likely a Marlies or Growlers signing. There isn't any reason to sign a goalie who is years away at best, to a Leafs contract.
 
zeke said:
Villeneuve was a stand out last year too. He has a big frame that should fill out more than his listed weight (may already have tbh) and quick feet and just a ton of poise. I think he's legit.
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Yes feet were quick .. very subtle movements
 
stickty111 said:
This would be quite the development win for the Leafs if he becomes an NHL player. Going from offensive d man with skating issues to being a defensive player in the NHL would be something. All though some people think he's always been fine defensively, while others think he was awful.
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From what little I know, the most common narrative was that his teammate/d partner Poirier was more offensively talented but was an absolute trainwreck defensively; seems like having to cover for him has actually helped Villeneuve blossom.
 
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