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Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

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Judas Tavares said:
Not that we have a shot at the top forwards, but reading that adds to my hesitancy to trade the 1st. I realize it will likely be required. But we have lacked a lot of 1st round talent of late. And I know I am using the most extreme examples, but players like Dawson Mercer and Wyatt Johnston make me think that certain players can step in sooner than later. It's no longer "they won't contribute for 5 years."
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A very small percentage of late 1st rounders can make an impact in their draft +1-3 season, so I think that is a poor reason to not trade the first.

I personally hate trading for rentals in general, so I am very averse to trading the first (or equivalent) for anyone that is a UFA next season, but I'm pretty confident the Leafs will move it.
 
Thornbury said:
You would also hope you could pitch to Marner, Matthews and Nylander that the team's intent is to be competitive for the next 5 - 7 years, and to make that work we are going to keep our high picks, to surround you guys with the talent you'll need to succeed. Oh, and it would help if those three would not try to take the team to the cleaners on their next contracts, but there's no indication that will be the case.
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I don't think players much care about picks, that's a fan's mind set. Rentals are a low percentage proposition but picks are far worse because most of them will never become NHL players, never mind impactful ones. When you trade futures for the present you are betting on this team today by adding NHL talent. That seems more encouraging to a player than the abstract of remaining competitive every year as they have, but never winning. Especially when the picks you are relying on are outside the top 25. Colorado added 4 players at the deadline and Tampa adds every year. I think players can get behind that, because many don't know where they will be in a couple of years.

As far as the contracts, if they would just a accept what their best comps are getting that would be a huge win.
 
ULF_55 said:
I'd easily trade the 1st. for a controlled asset.

For a rental, not so much, although I could see it would be extremely difficult not to do so for say a Kane rental.

The thing is that rental may have a change of heart about going UFA if he feels Toronto is a destination franchise.
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The UFA's never stay with the leafs. Bosak, Jvr, Mik, soup, Hyman etc etc. They all move on to greener pastures.
 
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stickty111 said:
Grebenkin penalty shot goal.
He also scored in the shootout
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this guy is looking more and more like a player....

Dare I say this kid was a steal in the 5th round??? He's gotten 16pts in his last 22 GP and 9pts in his last 10GP. He seems to have really hit his stride. 6'2
and has some real speed and skill. He has my attention.
 
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Twine Tickler said:
this guy is looking more and more like a player....

Dare I say this kid was a steal in the 5th round??? He's gotten 16pts in his last 22 GP and 9pts in his last 10GP. He seems to have really hit his stride. 6'2
and has some real speed and skill. He has my attention.
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Turns out by trading down in the last draft, we got Moldenhauer and Grebyonkin for Dermott (starting with the third rounder we got for him). That's a nice piece of asset management.
 
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Marlies win 3-2
Rifai with an assist
Kallgren 21 saves
Marlies outshot the Canucks 32-23.
Marlies road win streak ended yesterday but they get back in the win columm today
 
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Judas Tavares said:
Scott Wheeler of the Athletic is counting down teams and their prospect rankings each day. Today the Leafs came out at 18. I was actually surprised to see them at 18. I was expecting around 21-24 and each passing day it wasn't the Leafs. I figured the depth would be the reason and that is exactly what was written.

1. Knies
2. Robertson
3. Minten
4. Niemela
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5. Moldenhauer
6. Hirvonen
7. Hildeby
8. Woll
9. Tverberg
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10. Voit
11. Grebyonkin
12. Villeneuve
13. Petruzzelli
14. Akhtyamov
15. Peksa

The list is quite goalie heavy. I think the only potentially eye-opening omission was SDA, he was mentioned as an a player that was considered for this top 15.
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Our goaltending depth has radically increased and Woll is playing well.
 
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Abruzzese may be someone they use as a trade chip, but only because we have a lot of competition for depth roles right now.
 
Thornbury said:
Turns out by trading down in the last draft, we got Moldenhauer and Grebyonkin for Dermott (starting with the third rounder we got for him). That's a nice piece of asset management.
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We traded down to get Dermott, passing on Konecny, and then years later also traded down from the return from trading Dermott to get Grebyonkin.

Now that's playing the long-game...
 
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Grebyonkin's 19yo production is like 1.5x Amirov's at the same age.

Different situations of course, but Amirov did benefit early on in that season from the COVID situation where he was steady top 6 due to numerous teammates being out.

If Amur isn't an option again next season, should AHL be an option? The Russian track record in the AHL is pitiful, but Metallurg just seems like it'll be an inevitable step back in production/TOI/etc.
 
Ty Voit with another assist. He is battling to become the first ever OHL scoring champion with under 20 goals. He has games in hand on the rest so I still like his chances. He doesn't shoot the puck a lot with only one player in the top 15 scorers shooting less. Tverberg is another extreme pass first guy so both cases their goal scoring is tied heavily to their decision making vs whether their shot is any good. It will be interesting to see whether pro coaching can have any impact on this because both are high skill guys.
 
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