every year Canada has to black ball of their guys. Wouldn’t be WJC Canada Selection camp without it. I just don’t understand why they’ve gone to this method. They need to get back to the type of camps they had when Brent Sutter ran it. Bring the best 50 and let them battle it out. Get a full look. Clarke not being invited is dumb.
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every year Canada has to black ball of their guys. Wouldn’t be WJC Canada Selection camp without it. I just don’t understand why they’ve gone to this method. They need to get back to the type of camps they had when Brent Sutter ran it. Bring the best 50 and let them battle it out. Get a full look. Clarke not being invited is dumb.
Between our prospect pool excelling and the on-ice product right now, everything is coming up Dubas.
Fire Greg Moore and we’ll be in terrific shape!
Fire Greg Moore and we’ll be in terrific shape!
he’s a dual citizen, he’s eligible to play for team USA and there were rumours that USA Hockey was going to invite him to their camp as well.
Well I wouldn’t say usually only 1st round picks, there have been lots of NCAA players who aren’t first round picks to make the team.
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(edit: Playing in the NCAA)
The last forward who wasn't a 1st rounder to make team Canada was Dan Bertram in 2007. He was a 2nd rounder. 2 Goalies, and 3 D have done it since. It's pretty rare.
Levi, G, 7th round, 2021
Mitchell, D, 2nd round, 2019
Point, G, 5th round, 2018
Hickey, D, 3rd round, 2016
Goloubef, D, 2nd round, 2008
Only 2 players 4th round or later from the NCAA have been picked in the last 15 years. Both were goalies.
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No apparently he isn't due to not playing enough years of hockey in the USA. I didn't just pull it out of my ass.
ah ah I didn’t see that he played for Canada at the WJCA so yes he’s have to play 2 years in the US system before being eligible. If he hadn’t played any games for Canada then he’d be eligible for USA. But I think he’s going to make team Canada
Joe Duszak is making a lot of points (assists) in the AHL. Is there any chance for a callup? or is he just offense?
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I think he's played himself into a call-up soon if the Leafs need a defenseman, more notably a RHD. You have to reward him with that kind of production and he has been good with the Marlies.
I was going to give you shit for forgetting the great Leaf prospect Chris Didomenico in 09, but he was actually a 6th rounder. Shame on me.
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Those guys came out of the CHL. Was referring to guys playing in the NCAA as that's what the conversation had stemmed from. Apologies for not stating that in the initial half of that post.
They carry non 1st rounders every year, and even some undrafted guys at times. But to not have draft pedigree, nor daily exposure to Candian coaches in the CHL but rather playing in the NCAA it's quite easy to get overlooked. Playing in an older league the range of points a junior eligible player tends to be a bit lower than the CHL too, so even a quick stat scout the numbers don't completely jump off the page usually even for a good player. If he made the team he'd be the first forward playing in the NCAA drafted outside the 1st round to make it in 15 years, and the only skater outside the 3rd round in 15 years and possibly longer as I didn't go back any further.
If I remember correctly there was a large belief that teams wanted to take the wait and see approach with Tverberg as he was drafted out of the OJ. Which is definitely no where close to the level of the AJHL and BCHL, and maybe not even the SJHL. When the Tverberg selection was made it was made with the context that Dubas and co thought he was going to pop off in the NCAA the following year. They wanted to acquire that extra pick in the 7th in 2020 rather than wait to see how he did and risk having to pay up to get into higher rounds of the 2021 draft. It was very clearly the right call. Especially when you factor in the lack of data that was inevitably going to happen for the 2021 draft given the various cancellations of seasons. It was more a known to trade the 2021 7th for the 2020 7th, when you had guys that would have seen Ryan play a lot in the GTA. Makes complete sense to me.
Whether he makes the team or not, this is looking like an absolute steal of a pick. Seems to be par for the course with Dubas drafting TBH.
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I think the Leafs had a specific plan they wanted to execute over the 2020 and 2021 drafts. I think they wanted to take as many in 2020 as possible given those kids had close to a normal draft year. They wanted to take as many 2020 kids that wouldn't be playing in the CHL (least predictable development season with the pandemic) as possible. Only 1 of 12 picks were CHL. If they were going to have a lean draft year, they wanted it to be 2021 with kids who had their draft years impacted by Covid.
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That makes sense. There's definitely more variance to the 2021 draft. On that note however the high variance would possibly lead to a higher chance of getting a star player later because teams have less information. You're more likely to get a bust too obviously. Shotgunning a less variance draft could get you more useful players, while shotgunning a high variance draft would leave you with a lot of total busts but better chance at a star as a star who's more late developing might slip through the cracks with a lack of draft year scouting information so there might be a higher concentration of them sitting there in the later rounds. Where the Leafs are it probably makes more sense to go after more useful players than accept a ton of busts to try to get 1 star. Plus their supply of 2020 v 2021 picks was already extremely skewed towards 2020.
Plus, you’ve just got em and can start developing. ETA’s right around the time the big four are running out.
2021 was supposed to be a “weaker draft” anyway. 2022 is supposed to be stacked.
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I'm not an expert but from what I've seen of Duszak over the last 2 seasons, he's far closer to a Brennan than he is to an NHL defenceman.
If he has any trade value at all, I'd be all over getting an asset back for him.
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Brennan was still fine as a #7 in his prime, but Duszak is pretty much hitting his ceiling right now. He doesn't have trade value that exceeds his value as a Marlie right now.
At some point we may move one of the younger RD, but I think it is more likely to be Menell or Hollowell. The other one and Duszak could be our top 4 with Niemela, Rindell, and Villeneuve filling in the other two spots next year.
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He's faster? Not sure I'd call his defensive work great by any means but hard to tell sometimes at the AHL level. I'd say he's been their top performer though.
Ok. Not as good as he can be. He's been injured though so maybe not completely fair.
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Was listening to the Mirtle/Siegel podcast that came out yesterday and they had Josh Kloke on to discuss some Marlies. Here is who they discussed:
Joseph Duszak: Finally learning the pro game and how to settle down and be smart. Not always looking to make the high-risk play as in previous years. Sort of like how Liljegren developed. Still a bit of a longshot though based on his size.
Kristians Rubins: The organization, and particularly Keefe, really like him. They are getting him to really learn how to use his size and work to be more physical. Looking to model his game sort of like Muzzin. He may be rewarded with a callup if there are injuries.
Alex Steeves: The organization loves his start and loves how smart of a player he is. Looking to teach him how to develop a bottom 6 game since that is ultimately where he would end up playing. Want to give him more time to adjust to the pros, so don't think a callup is imminent any time soon.
Erik Kallgren: Apparently his name is pronounced with a "sh" sound like Kylington. Maybe that was known, but I did not know that. This was more of a personal take from Kloke than an organizational take. Said before his concussion he looked really good and was wondering if he would have had a look at playing for the Leafs rather than Woll. He also mentioned the Leafs wanted to reward Woll as he's been in the org for a while and while his stats didn't seem to warrant that, I tend to agree. Also feels that if the Leafs get their playoff spot locked and loaded early and they want to give Campbell/Mrazek rest, that they should give Kallgren a few games. Also realizes that is fairly unlikely, but should get some games in by next year.
That was really it. Was hoping to hear about SDA, Abramov and Kral, but maybe next time.
Joseph Duszak: Finally learning the pro game and how to settle down and be smart. Not always looking to make the high-risk play as in previous years. Sort of like how Liljegren developed. Still a bit of a longshot though based on his size.
Kristians Rubins: The organization, and particularly Keefe, really like him. They are getting him to really learn how to use his size and work to be more physical. Looking to model his game sort of like Muzzin. He may be rewarded with a callup if there are injuries.
Alex Steeves: The organization loves his start and loves how smart of a player he is. Looking to teach him how to develop a bottom 6 game since that is ultimately where he would end up playing. Want to give him more time to adjust to the pros, so don't think a callup is imminent any time soon.
Erik Kallgren: Apparently his name is pronounced with a "sh" sound like Kylington. Maybe that was known, but I did not know that. This was more of a personal take from Kloke than an organizational take. Said before his concussion he looked really good and was wondering if he would have had a look at playing for the Leafs rather than Woll. He also mentioned the Leafs wanted to reward Woll as he's been in the org for a while and while his stats didn't seem to warrant that, I tend to agree. Also feels that if the Leafs get their playoff spot locked and loaded early and they want to give Campbell/Mrazek rest, that they should give Kallgren a few games. Also realizes that is fairly unlikely, but should get some games in by next year.
That was really it. Was hoping to hear about SDA, Abramov and Kral, but maybe next time.
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