Confirmed with Link: Marc Staal TRADED.

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I have no idea what an acceptable offer for Georgiev even looks like to be honest

I’m sure the Rangers are listening on him but I think they’re blowing smoke a bit and would rather hang onto him for now

I would imagine they’re at least looking for what they got for Talbot

 

[Avery16]

How well did Gorton sleep last night?

 

[Leetch3]

I don't see the rangers moving roster players for draft picks without then moving draft picks for roster players.

I don't think we're in that phase anymore.

first its completely different when you are talking about a series of moves, aka dominoes...trading a player for futures and then trading futures for a player isn't the same as the sell off we had.

but you also need to consider who the players are...if ryan strome is viewed a placeholder, which he should be, then you 100% move him for draft picks when you feel that his replacement is in place whether that is via trade or a kid developing. thats the purpose and value of strome for our rebuild...

and we shouldn't think of the rebuild as something that is one day over and we just kick our feet back and watch...that's actually when the job gets tough for JG & JD. its easy to get talent when you pick top 2 in the draft. now they need to get to work and find ways to continue to pump young talent into the system cause we are going to need a constant import of players on ELCs

 

[Leetch3]

I’ve said this and it’s not necessarily because Georgiev is this future star far from it. I think he’s a solid backup that plays well in limited spots but also plays well coming in after sitting a while (hank can’t do this which is why he can’t be a back up)

but Put me down as unless we get a monster offer Which you could say about most guys, Georgiev is very much a part of the plan for the next few seasons minimum. I don’t think he’s being dangled at all.

fully expect to see a Shesterkin/Georgiev tandem

that tandem sounds great and they will be cheap for the next few years which will be a drastic shift from our past cap structure...but we also need to keep in mind that in 3 years he will be a UFA so that is our time frame to maximize his return in a deal.

I'm not rushing to move him for a 2nd...people complain about the talbot deal but that returned a 2nd, 3rd and 7th. and several goalies have gone for 1st round picks. we aren't forced to move him right now (assuming hank is gone) so I need to either get at least 2 2nds OR a young bottom 6 forward with some grit that kills penalties. no idea who that guy might be but that is something that would add long term value.

 

[RGY]

How well did Gorton sleep last night?

Grotons not asleep at the wheel this time

 

[mas0764]

Just for giggles if the sabres offered us eichel for kravtsov DeAngelo lias 22 and chytil.

You'd need that money out to make it happen.

There's usually a reason things happen.

Or it could be just as simple as...gorton thinks staal sucks. Quinn doesn't. Gorton doesn't tell quinn how to coach. So gorton takes Quinn's toy away.

Or it could be that quinn said staal sucks and I feel forced to play him because of what he means to the team...can you get him out of here?

As always there's more than 1 reason you ship a guy out

Too much for Eichel.

 

[mas0764]

I'd say it's chicken or the egg... Either way I don't see them moving someone out just to get a pick.

For example DeAngelo. Let's say Edmonton offered their first for deangelo.

Rangers could do that..but I don't see them not then going out and trading 22 or some prospects to get another defenseman back.

That’s intriguing if it’s top 10 so you can get a center. At 14 not so much unless Lundell has fallen.

 

[mas0764]

I wouldn't.

We really shouldn't be adding a ticket that big.

Its also gutting our organizational depth; it’s stupid. You are banking on winning a championship based around Panarin, Zibanejad and Eichel then basically.

Not giving away half of the young forwards in my system for Eichel.

It also doesn’t sound like a consistent winner, seems more like a window.

 

[eco's bones]

Too much for Eichel.

Not at all. The problem with that deal is can we afford it?--and I'm not too sure we could. I think it might mean moving on from Mika instead of re-signing him. We could get a lot for Mika but maybe less in a flat cap world. That said Eichel is a world class elite player. There aren't very many of them.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

The issues of the team that were highlighted in those three games were pretty visible throughout the entire season. Even when the team was winning I don't think anybody viewed them as legitimate contender or a team that didn't have obvious things that they needed to improve structurally on the roster. I'm simply referencing the comments made by the upper management of the organization. This trade was not done simply so that this team could stay together and get its RFAs signed

Agreed. Rangers are an "open ice" team....they need space to operate....when they faced opponents who cut down the amount of open ice, they struggled and couldn't adapt. Despite all the changes made in the NHL, the one constant is that open ice has always been scarce come playoff time.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Not at all. The problem with that deal is can we afford it?--and I'm not too sure we could. I think it might mean moving on from Mika instead of re-signing him. We could get a lot for Mika but maybe less in a flat cap world. That said Eichel is a world class elite player. There aren't very many of them.

The bigger problem is I don’t think the Sabres would take that package.

 

[kovazub94]

I can see Gorton looking to see who gets bought out, and look to pick up a bargain or two.

On top of dealing with own resigning. Ergo other cap related moves are incoming to be in the position to accomplish both.

 

[kovazub94]

I'd rather see the Rangers go with the three RD they used last year again next year, it works to the point two of them put up outstanding offensive stats.

Instead of trading for a long term center now, let them see what Chytil does at center for another year. If that means signing Strome to a one year deal for support, or getting some stopgap one year center somehow else, I'd prefer that.

All the same I think you are correct the Rangers here will rush to get a long term center, that ends up blocking Chytil or anyone else from taking that spot. The D offensively take a hit and then they end up wondering why they are scoring less as a team while only playing slightly better defensively.

I think they are a year ahead of themselves where they are envisioning Kakko, Lafreniere, possibly Miller too as being able to play a competent NHL two way game.

Definitely see this scenario as a possibility but this is why Lindholm makes sense : his salary and two-way playing style technically should allow Chytil to move up to 2C when the Czech is ready.

 

[Heckler81]

I just saw the trade and I’m a little puzzled. Why are we giving up a 2nd for a contract that expires in a year? We are weak at the LD position, who will take Staal’s spot?

What do you think we are going to do with the extra cap space?

I don’t like the trade and I rather have the 2nd.

 

[Kovalev27]

I just saw the trade and I’m a little puzzled. Why are we giving up a 2nd for a contract that expires in a year? We are weak at the LD position, who will take Staal’s spot?

What do you think we are going to do with the extra cap space?

I don’t like the trade and I rather have the 2nd.

i think we’re all puzzled at the rush to clear this Staal space. He has clearly fallen off but We could have gone with him another year. Feels like something bigger coming for sure.

 

[kovazub94]

I do like it best when we have Panarin and Zibanejad on separate lines. That makes us more of a nightmare to match up against and Panarin is going to make whoever he plays with a better player. Put them both out on the same power play unit as much as possible though.

Same and this is why we’re going back to the original point that the Rangers can’t trade both Buch and Strome for only one forward of that quality coming back for this (!) season.

 

[kovazub94]

The bigger problem is I don’t think the Sabres would take that package.

Sabres are potentially very close to a public Nash type situation. It would definitely worth a consideration as this package could be a big but not primary piece in a (yet another) rebuild.

 

[eco's bones]

The bigger problem is I don’t think the Sabres would take that package.

I wouldn't if I were the Sabres. That said Eichel has made it clear he's not happy with his team's continuing mediocrity. If the Sabres don't get better I can see him becoming more vocal and maybe becoming more and more of a problem.

 

[kovazub94]

Do you know which team? My guess would be SJ. They have too much cap tied up in older players. I can't see them looking to rebuild yet, despite how bad they were this year. Dell is a UFA and Jones has been bad. They could afford Hank at 50% for 1 year. For Hank, it would be an opportunity to win a starting job with a team that went to the conference finals 2 years ago, and he is friends with Karlsson.

I honestly think it’s very likely such move would involve a 3rd party to accommodate the burden of cap hit at the cost of another mid round pick. IMHO this is the best scenario for all parties and the Rangers would be willing to pay the price.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think ADA going to arbitration is a bad thing. In fact I don't think any of the RFA headed there is a bad thing as long as the Rangers have space for their awards. They would all end up as trade-able assets where the Rangers also have the option to extend them before those on year deal expire and other than Stome who would turn UFA, the others still would have RFA years left even after that one year deal.

Likely most or all would sign before the award process anyway.

I'm in the camp that believes one year for all of them with two caveats. If ADA will take a 4 or longer where the cap hit contains what should be his cheaper RFA years included. If Geo will take about the same rate at two years that one would cost.

If I was Gorton I’d also negotiate a long term extension for Buch on the cheap before his production truly exploded. The team could benefit from shorten season and no puck luck December 2019 to get a good discount. Even if he needed to be moved this type of player with a sub-market contract won’t be that difficult and could actually bring back more value.

 

[kovazub94]

The team came up way short of expectations. Carolina isn't exactly the grittiest team but they outworked, outbattled, outhustled us all up and down the ice throughout the series. There always has to be an internal critique---what worked, what didn't and mostly in this case--it was didn't. We lacked depth and the word was we weren't hard enough to play against---or broken down even plainer---the team is too soft. That speaks to more changes.

Technically two moves already been made (including Martin) but the defense as of now is missing 2 pieces). Internally they have youngsters to fill these with but it would imply that they are playing better than Smith, otherwise they wouldn’t keep either as the 7th D and rather get a lot of reps at a lower level. Very possible scenario and so the team needs another defenseman as is now.

 

[Leetch3]

If I was Gorton I’d also negotiate a long term extension for Buch on the cheap before his production truly exploded. The team could benefit from shorten season and no puck luck December 2019 to get a good discount. Even if he needed to be moved this type of player with a sub-market contract it won’t be that difficult and could actually bring back more value.

i would LOVE to keep buch long term...I think he is underrated by many here and would be a huge lose. but the cap makes it tough...you need to pay your core and then fill the team around them. buch is important but not part of that core so there is limits to what you can afford to give him without causing other issues.

 

[kovazub94]

Depending on when the next season opens, Kravtsov is looking like he can fill one of those RW slots pretty easily...

Good point but I wouldn’t count on just yet and it still pushes the timeline to well after the start of the season (I don’t think they recall him until after Traktor’s season is over).

 

[kovazub94]

i would LOVE to keep buch long term...I think he is underrated by many here and would be a huge lose. but the cap makes it tough...you need to pay your core and then fill the team around them. buch is important but not part of that core so there is limits to what you can afford to give him without causing other issues.

Oh I agree but this is not yet and when it comes long-term signed and the next level Buch will be a hot commodity (probably more valuable than he’s now)

 

[mas0764]

Sabres are potentially very close to a public Nash type situation. It would definitely worth a consideration as this package could be a big but not primary piece in a (yet another) rebuild.

Chytil and ADA make sense as centerpieces on our end, and they can have a first round pick or picks as well, but I’m not also giving them Lafrieniere, Kakko or Kravtsov.