Confirmed with Link: Marc Staal TRADED.

[Inferno]

I think you have it opposite. I don’t think Gorton is prepared to lose draft picks without being able to replenish them. So, if he’s moving a 2nd to create cap space, he’s targeting a player who fits the timeline, such as Lindholm. Lindholm makes Strome expendable, especially if a team with picks like Ottawa is interested.

I'd say it's chicken or the egg... Either way I don't see them moving someone out just to get a pick.

For example DeAngelo. Let's say Edmonton offered their first for deangelo.

Rangers could do that..but I don't see them not then going out and trading 22 or some prospects to get another defenseman back.

 

[twotonfrankie1]

Truthfully, I'm not 100% sure why we needed to do this. He is off the books next year and we really don't have any cap issues for this season.

If this is to just make sure we have the money for DeAngelo's arbitration payout for the one year and to let Lundqvist finish his last year here (Which means Gio gets traded), then it's not that terrible. But if we did this to re-sign Strome or Fast long term then it's absolutely mind boggling.

I didn't really have an issue with Staal, he's a great leader and mentor for the the young defenseman. He is a bottom pair dman now and he was used as one by Quinn last season, so it's not like he was stealing ice time from other players.

We will see how it plays out. As long as Strome/Fast aren't being signed long term i'll be okay with it.

 

[kovazub94]

I like Robertson .. but, as someone stated above, I think he's a year or two away.

Yup, those three don’t have the equal probability percentages and I shouldn’t have forgotten Hajek.

 

[Inferno]

Johnny Hockey is a guy CGY is concerned with. It was very telling to them what happened with Thachuk out of the line up.

There's more to it than that. Teams, or any business for that matter, doesn't make impulse decisions that require moving millions of dollars over the course of say 24-48 hours.

With a guy like Johnny, it's an even bigger decision. I personally would stay as far away as I can from Johnny.

Not that he isn't a great player, but he's not a guy I think you win with.

This exact statement..is what we heard about marian hossa...and pavel datsyuk...and Phil Kessel.

Before they started winning cup after cup after cup

 

[jfc64]

Multinational companies have manuals for this kind of activities.

 

[Inferno]

Truthfully, I'm not 100% sure why we needed to do this. He is off the books next year and we really don't have any cap issues for this season.

If this is to just make sure we have the money for DeAngelo's arbitration payout for the one year and to let Lundqvist finish his last year here (Which means Gio gets traded), then it's not that terrible. But if we did this to re-sign Strome or Fast long term then it's absolutely mind boggling.

I didn't really have an issue with Staal, he's a great leader and mentor for the the young defenseman. He is a bottom pair dman now and he was used as one by Quinn last season, so it's not like he was stealing ice time from other players.

We will see how it plays out. As long as Strome/Fast aren't being signed long term i'll be okay with it.

Just for giggles if the sabres offered us eichel for kravtsov DeAngelo lias 22 and chytil.

You'd need that money out to make it happen.

There's usually a reason things happen.

Or it could be just as simple as...gorton thinks staal sucks. Quinn doesn't. Gorton doesn't tell quinn how to coach. So gorton takes Quinn's toy away.

Or it could be that quinn said staal sucks and I feel forced to play him because of what he means to the team...can you get him out of here?

As always there's more than 1 reason you ship a guy out

 

[Off Sides]

CapFriendly has the up-to-date inside sources more than LeBrun from 2015.

But I will give you that his contract has been an apparently jumble of public confirmation over the entire term of his contract. But I will go with the more up to date info than 2015

But then again....most GM's are dumb, soooooooooooooooooooooooo....

All in all, it really just goes back to the fact that 'NMC' language generally is too flexible and should be more consistent. No reason to have a "NTC" if your "NMC" includes no-movement period language.

NMC and NTC shouldn't overlap, period.

I blame the NHL, tbh

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NMC can be as simple as the team can not assign the player to any other league than the NHL. (No AHL, etc) Yet holds no trade protection.

The NTC can be full or partial, with partial no trades it also seems like some contracts require the player to submit a list when asked, other have to submit on some date every year.

For whatever reason those two types of clauses become conflated where if we see a NMC we assume there is a full no trade also involved unless a partial no trade clause is also designated separately.

While it's nice to have some info from sites like capfriendly and from the writers out there, unless they have seen the contract in question and read it correctly I would put their info on clauses as only pretty accurate yet often incomplete.

 

[twotonfrankie1]

Just for giggles if the sabres offered us eichel for kravtsov DeAngelo lias 22 and chytil.

You'd need that money out to make it happen.

There's usually a reason things happen.

Or it could be just as simple as...gorton thinks staal sucks. Quinn doesn't. Gorton doesn't tell quinn how to coach. So gorton takes Quinn's toy away.

Or it could be that quinn said staal sucks and I feel forced to play him because of what he means to the team...can you get him out of here?

As always there's more than 1 reason you ship a guy out

Yes, for that I would be happy and understand why it needed to be done haha.

 

[Off Sides]

If Calgary is looking for an RD I think DeAngelo would go a long ways towards getting Lindholm and maybe we expand it a bit and get Sam Bennett. Maybe throw Lias in the deal. Find a stopgap RD for this year and get Nils Lundkvist over here next year. Lindholm would solidify our top 6 right away and Bennett would help out our bottom 6 and make us a tougher team to play against. Then we move on from Strome. As far as Gaudreau--I'm not that interested.

If DeAngelo stays with us I'm still in the same place--short term two year deal. Same place with Henrik, Strome and Alex as well.

I'd go 1 or 4 or more years with ADA

Leaving ADA with either two RFA years left for leverage purposes after that one year, or already signed up some UFA years combined with his remaining RFA years I think is the best deal the Rangers can get.

That said if the Rangers are trading him, which I think would turn out to be a poor idea in hindsight, the deal you mention seems to about fit what I too think they'd try to do.

 

[Mikos87]

This exact statement..is what we heard about marian hossa...and pavel datsyuk...and Phil Kessel.

Before they started winning cup after cup after cup

And Yzerman.

People can mature, grow, and even back to their old habits.

What's Kessel worth to ARI today?

Labels and perceptions are impermanent to impressions. As they say, it's in the eye of the beholder... But do those eyes consider time, need, money, and the organizations options?

In other words, what's outside the vacuum?

 

[Tob]

If only they had bought out Henrik yesterday I could have used my neo bullet dodging gif on Staal again. Life is fleeting.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

Strome for 5th overall confirmed

5th overall for 5th overall. Looks fair to me.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't see the rangers moving roster players for draft picks without then moving draft picks for roster players.

I don't think we're in that phase anymore.

Agreed. It's possible that we see someone like Strome traded for picks, but I'm sure Gorton will have a plan to fill that spot via another deal.

Everyone.

Everyone but the Rangers. I'd love to have Byram, but we have a ton of LD prospects knocking on the door, and as much as I love Georgiev, I'm not confident enough in him being the #1 for the next 10 years.

 

[leetch99]

Next year the east is wide open for the taking IF TB wins the Cup. They will be in Cup hangover mode . Bruins will fall...Leafs same as us or worse....Pens a fraction of once what was and same deal with Caps . Flyers just fair as are NYI and CBJ and no goalie in Carolina. We can do it . We need some hockey breaks though . We need improvements from at least 2 of Chytil-Gauthier-Howden-Kakko up front along with no soph slumps for Fox . A solid rookie season from Lafrenier and for Kreider and Zibs and Panarin to hold steady on their performance . It won't hurt us if Trouba plays better with a new partner and if Tony ups his offensive numbers without sacrificing any defense he might have . Sure we have holes on left D....but we also have chips to move in guys like Krav-Buchnevich-Barron-Lundkvist-Lias and Georgiev....they will bring pieces back. I think management is thinking like the Penguins and going to try and get that first cup early ....might not happen....but they likely are giving it some damn serious thought . The road is definitely there for a berth in the Finals. I hate to get ahead of myself....but it can be done .

 

[GAGLine]

Truthfully, I'm not 100% sure why we needed to do this. He is off the books next year and we really don't have any cap issues for this season.

Prior to trading Staal, we absolutely did. We couldn't afford to re-sign all our RFAs.

 

[eco's bones]

I'd go 1 or 4 or more years with ADA

Leaving ADA with either two RFA years left for leverage purposes after that one year, or already signed up some UFA years combined with his remaining RFA years I think is the best deal the Rangers can get.

That said if the Rangers are trading him, which I think would turn out to be a poor idea in hindsight, the deal you mention seems to about fit what I too think they'd try to do.

Part of the issue with Tony is he's coming into real money and the Rangers have a replacement--maybe not able to create as much offense but who should be better at other things.

Lindholm would be a big get for the Rangers---his current contract a bonus. One of our RD's is going to be moving sooner or later and IMO it's probably Tony. Trouba's a long term player and our matchup guy against other team's better lines. The Rangers love Fox and he won't break the bank for at least a couple years when Lundkvist comes over he will be ELC. Cap management in a flat cap world. I don't think Nils is going to need time in the AHL--he's been playing really well at a much higher level than the CHL or even college hockey. But anyway if that deal went down another tangential deal to that moving Strome would be the next thing.

 

[kovazub94]

Putting things together that @Edge has dropped hints about, I'm thinking Strome goes for a couple of 2nds after a deal with Calgary brings back Lindholm. Which is probably why Gorton feels he can move a 2nd to dump Staal. Like @Edge has said, Gorton usually lines things up, which is why I don't think this is a move just to re-sign Fast. There is a larger plan here, (and there has been since the issuing of "the letter".) I think Gorton and JD, despite the talk of "patience", believe, as @GoAwayStaal has preached, that with the right moves, this team should be a legitimate playoff team, (as opposed to a Cup contender), next season. And, it's about players that fit the timeline, and can complement the current core. @Edge has revealed the players that the Rangers are willing to discuss - DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Strome, Lemieux and Georgiev. I think that gives insight as to how they feel about the likes of Chytil, Kravtsov, Miller, Reunanen and Robertson, and how soon they can contribute.

Just to get my own head around these steps. If Strome is not a part of Calgary deal and trades separately for picks then it’s Buch and ADA for Hanifin and Lindholm.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Lindholm - xx
Lafreniere - Chytil - Gauthier
Lemieux - Howden - xx

Lots of gaps. Step one would would be to switch Kreider over to RW, move Panarin to Zibanejad and promote Lafreniere to top-6

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kreider
Lafreniere - Lindholm - Kakko
xx - Chytil - Gauthier
Lemieux - Howden - xx

Still not optimal. Unless there’s another move to be made without losing a roster player, I don’t see Strome going for picks. More likely if the deal with Calgary to take place it will be either Buch or Strome and the other staying at least for another year. Of course resigning Fast (3 years?) can be an option too to provide some needed stability and flexibility.

 

[eco's bones]

Next year the east is wide open for the taking IF TB wins the Cup. They will be in Cup hangover mode . Bruins will fall...Leafs same as us or worse....Pens a fraction of once what was and same deal with Caps . Flyers just fair as are NYI and CBJ and no goalie in Carolina. We can do it . We need some hockey breaks though . We need improvements from at least 2 of Chytil-Gauthier-Howden-Kakko up front along with no soph slumps for Fox . A solid rookie season from Lafrenier and for Kreider and Zibs and Panarin to hold steady on their performance . It won't hurt us if Trouba plays better with a new partner and if Tony ups his offensive numbers without sacrificing any defense he might have . Sure we have holes on left D....but we also have chips to move in guys like Krav-Buchnevich-Barron-Lundkvist-Lias and Georgiev....they will bring pieces back. I think management is thinking like the Penguins and going to try and get that first cup early ....might not happen....but they likely are giving it some damn serious thought . The road is definitely there for a berth in the Finals. I hate to get ahead of myself....but it can be done .

Don't think the Rangers have any interest in moving on from Lundkvist though and there's no good reason too. He won't get as good a return without playing NHL games and he'll be an ELC for a while when he comes over probably next year. I also don't think he'll be spending much time in the AHL if any at all. This guy is in his 4th year in the SHL already and the best young defenseman in that league. SHL is way better than North American college hockey or the CHL.

I also don't see the Rangers moving Barron for some of the same reasons. His trade value will be lower because he hasn't played in the NHL yet.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Just to get my own head around these steps. If Strome is not a part of Calgary deal and trades separately for picks then it’s Buch and ADA for Hanifin and Lindholm.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Lindholm - xx
Lafreniere - Chytil - Gauthier
Lemieux - Howden - xx

Lots of gaps. Step one would would be to switch Kreider over to RW, move Panarin to Zibanejad and promote Lafreniere to top-6

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kreider
Lafreniere - Lindholm - Kakko
xx - Chytil - Gauthier
Lemieux - Howden - xx

Still not optimal. Unless there’s another move to be made without losing a roster player, I don’t see Strome going for picks. More likely if the deal with Calgary to take place it will be either Buch or Strome and the other staying at least for another year. Of course resigning Fast (3 years?) can be an option too to provide some needed stability and flexibility.

Barron is expected to make a strong push for a spot. Also, I’m going to infer that, given Kravtsov’s hot start and how he’s playing, the Rangers are open to him winning a spot, especially if they’re more comfortable moving Buchnevich.

 

[kovazub94]

Barron is expected to make a strong push for a spot. Also, I’m going to infer that, given Kravtsov’s hot start and how he’s playing, the Rangers are open to him winning a spot, especially if they’re more comfortable moving Buchnevich.

Sure but that implies that Buch is staying for another year or a short term plug UFA (as a result of being bought out - doesn’t mean bad in this cap environment) is being added.

 

[Off Sides]

Part of the issue with Tony is he's coming into real money and the Rangers have a replacement--maybe not able to create as much offense but who should be better at other things.

Lindholm would be a big get for the Rangers---his current contract a bonus. One of our RD's is going to be moving sooner or later and IMO it's probably Tony. Trouba's a long term player and our matchup guy against other team's better lines. The Rangers love Fox and he won't break the bank for at least a couple years when Lundkvist comes over he will be ELC. Cap management in a flat cap world. I don't think Nils is going to need time in the AHL--he's been playing really well at a much higher level than the CHL or even college hockey. But anyway if that deal went down another tangential deal to that moving Strome would be the next thing.

I'd rather see the Rangers go with the three RD they used last year again next year, it works to the point two of them put up outstanding offensive stats.

Instead of trading for a long term center now, let them see what Chytil does at center for another year. If that means signing Strome to a one year deal for support, or getting some stopgap one year center somehow else, I'd prefer that.

All the same I think you are correct the Rangers here will rush to get a long term center, that ends up blocking Chytil or anyone else from taking that spot. The D offensively take a hit and then they end up wondering why they are scoring less as a team while only playing slightly better defensively.

I think they are a year ahead of themselves where they are envisioning Kakko, Lafreniere, possibly Miller too as being able to play a competent NHL two way game.

 

[eco's bones]

Just to get my own head around these steps. If Strome is not a part of Calgary deal and trades separately for picks then it’s Buch and ADA for Hanifin and Lindholm.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Lindholm - xx
Lafreniere - Chytil - Gauthier
Lemieux - Howden - xx

Lots of gaps. Step one would would be to switch Kreider over to RW, move Panarin to Zibanejad and promote Lafreniere to top-6

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kreider
Lafreniere - Lindholm - Kakko
xx - Chytil - Gauthier
Lemieux - Howden - xx

Still not optimal. Unless there’s another move to be made without losing a roster player, I don’t see Strome going for picks. More likely if the deal with Calgary to take place it will be either Buch or Strome and the other staying at least for another year. Of course resigning Fast (3 years?) can be an option too to provide some needed stability and flexibility.

I do like it best when we have Panarin and Zibanejad on separate lines. That makes us more of a nightmare to match up against and Panarin is going to make whoever he plays with a better player. Put them both out on the same power play unit as much as possible though.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Sure but that implies that Buch is staying for another year or a short term plug UFA (as a result of being bought out - doesn’t mean bad in this cap environment) is being added.

I can see Gorton looking to see who gets bought out, and look to pick up a bargain or two.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Oh f*** tell me Johnny hockey is coming here

I can tell you that I have no sources but logically that ain’t gonna happen.

 

[bleedblue94]

people who think that this trade happened just so that the team could resign their current players and keep the group together completely wrong in my opinion. After the rangers were embarrassed by Carolina, Gorton JD everybody basically said that they knew they had to make changes to the roster. Why would people think that they made this move in order to keep the roster essentially the same. This is about gaining flexibility so they can make some more strategic moves to have this team take the next steps in short order