Confirmed with Link: Marc Staal TRADED.

[East Coast Bias]

Staal didn't have a reported NTC for the entire deal, so him having to waive a supposed NTC for this trade is news to...well...everyone. Including the normal NHL folks.

i did not know this. To be fair I never considered that he could be traded. Never even thought about it bc I thought his contract was way to bad to trade.

 

[Irishguy42]

I stand corrected then, just surprised that the comment that the no move clause didn't come into play.

It's fair. The comment timeline that reporters post is out of your control, especially since it's over Zoom, and Bultman might just be bulk posting comments a bit later than Cotsonika.

 

[Irishguy42]

Pure speculation on my part... But my guess is that Staal had a limited no trade clause... And the clause was probably something he didn't want public... Something like "not Canada."

Which jives with what Yzerman was saying about it not applying.

Even if the NTC was specific like that, it would still be common knowledge that he had a NTC of some sort. But...there was no report/knowledge that he had a NTC of any kind.

And this is the problem with the 'NMC' is that it could be any language.

Any trade/movement language should be clear-cut from the get-go.

 

[Crease]

I stand corrected then, just surprised that the comment that the no move clause didn't come into play. Maybe NYR did tell him they were going to buy him out and give him the option of waving the clause or taking the buy out, and he chose he still wanted to keep playing

What would have stopped Detroit from signing Staal after the Rangers bought him out?

 

[kovazub94]

Injuries are the reason that would keep this team from making the playoffs. Otherwise, the talent level is going to increase, as is the experience level. I’m expecting them to be a playoff team.

Completely agree. The roster might not be deep enough to withstand significant injuries would be a plausible reason.

Otherwise there’s a big GROUP on this roster that will continue to get better (as a group) to compensate for potential incremental reduction in Panarin or Zibanejad’s production, where let’s say both are down to close to PPG range than 100 point seasons.

 

[bleedblue94]

What would have stopped Detroit from signing Staal after the Rangers bought him out?

Possible pride vs the buyout status or that financially he makes more money this way opposed to taking a buyout and possibly only being 1mil for the coming season. I mean in all seriousness if staal were a ufa what would he realistically find for offers? I don't know. Maybe he wasn't sure either given the financial climate of the league

 

[Profet]

Even if the NTC was specific like that, it would still be common knowledge that he had a NTC of some sort. But...there was no report/knowledge that he had a NTC of any kind.

And this is the problem with the 'NMC' is that it could be any language.

Any trade/movement language should be clear-cut from the get-go.

 

[NYR94]

Stevie Y sure likes acquiring Rangers defensemen. He has now traded for or signed McDonagh, Girardi, Stralman and Staal. 2/3 of the Rangers D from 2014.

 

[Profet]

What would have stopped Detroit from signing Staal after the Rangers bought him out?

Common sense?

 

[bobbop]

Brooks has clarified this to full NMC for the entire contract on several occasions.

 

[bernmeister]

How?

Apparently, he took one for the team.
and in particular, for Hank, so we have enuf cushion to keep him and deal Geo.

Short of retire, this wuz best thing he could have done for us, and Hank.

 

[bbny]

In before the "hate Trouba" crowd suggests the NMC for the first 4 years of his contract might actually have an unreported partial NTC.

 

[Crease]

Common sense?

So Detroit is going to play him only because they got a second round pick out of it? They could buy him out tomorrow and keep the pick. If they play him, it’s because they think he’s serviceable. And if they think he’s serviceable, Marc would have had an offer from them this offseason after Rangers bought him out, along with any other team interested. I’m not sure why Marc would waive his NMC unless it’s a paper move and he’s not actually reporting to Detroit.

 

[broadwayblue]

Apparently, he took one for the team.
and in particular, for Hank, so we have enuf cushion to keep him and deal Geo.

Short of retire, this wuz best thing he could have done for us, and Hank.

Still not so sure this has any effect on parting ways with Hank. I mean if we get a compelling offer on Georgiev then sure, but the goalie market is saturated so who knows what kind of return we'll be looking at.

 

[Edge]

Linking up with Calgary feels like something that's destined to happen at this point. One of those situations where the fit is just so obvious from the outside that you'd be shocked to not see at least a smaller deal get made.

One thing with Gorton is that he really values familiarity and he is not afraid to break things down into smaller deals if they can’t get a bigger deal done.

We’ve seen that with Carolina and Boston for example. We’ve also seen it when discussing potential deals with teams like Dallas and Edmonton. It’s also why it’s not terribly surprising he and Yzerman connected again.

 

[aufheben]

Jeff GOATon

 

[Trxjw]

One thing with Gorton is that he really values familiarity and he is not afraid to break things down into smaller deals if they can’t get a bigger deal done.

We’ve seen that with Carolina and Boston for example. We’ve also seen it when discussing potential deals with teams like Dallas and Edmonton. It’s also why it’s not terribly surprising he and Yzerman connected again.

Between the familiarity and the fit I could see anything from a blockbuster to the teams just swapping firsts.

They also strike me as a team that might've been calling on Lemieux after we got him from the Jets. Just to throw another name into the pot.

 

[Irishguy42]

CapFriendly has the up-to-date inside sources more than LeBrun from 2015.

But I will give you that his contract has been an apparently jumble of public confirmation over the entire term of his contract. But I will go with the more up to date info than 2015

But then again....most GM's are dumb, soooooooooooooooooooooooo....

All in all, it really just goes back to the fact that 'NMC' language generally is too flexible and should be more consistent. No reason to have a "NTC" if your "NMC" includes no-movement period language.

NMC and NTC shouldn't overlap, period.

I blame the NHL, tbh

 

[Edge]

Between the familiarity and the fit I could see anything from a blockbuster to the teams just swapping firsts.

They also strike me as a team that might've been calling on Lemieux after we got him from the Jets. Just to throw another name into the pot.

Well let’s look at Carolina in that manner for a moment.

They’d discussed a number of players, but connected on Keane-Gauthier and Skjei-pick only six days apart.

And that doesn’t take into account conversations about Georgiev, Fast and a brief chat about Kreider that didn’t get too far.

 

[mas0764]

Or cough:::Strome:::cough.

Strome for 5th overall confirmed

 

[aufheben]

When I saw Detroit I thought “oh he accepted a trade close to home”.

Then I looked at a map. And it turns out Thunder Bay, ON isn’t close to anything. f*** me.

Cities in Canada are either 15 minutes outside of Toronto or 500 miles from civilization.

 

[Trxjw]

Well let’s look at Carolina in that manner for a moment.

They’d discussed a number of players, but connected on Keane-Gauthier and Skjei-pick only six days apart.

And that doesn’t take into account conversations about Georgiev, Fast and a brief chat about Kreider that didn’t get too far.

Same thing happened with Nash and Holden to Boston if memory serves.

I know everyone is amped up on Lindholm but it could be a situation when those talks lead to something smaller or even just half of a bigger deal.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Interesting. Gonna need some centers soon.

We already do.

 

[mas0764]

Does Buch and 22 get Lindholm +?

Does Strome and 22 get 9?

 

[broadwayblue]

We already do.

No doubt. But you deal Strome and you better be comfortable with Chytil at C or be dealing for one. Don't see Barron or Henricksson as top 6 players this season, if ever.