no thanks, i rather call up another youngster than have to watch Staal again. big upgrade in my opinion. he can't out of danger. just retire and stop ruining the Staal legacy
Player Discussion Marc Staal: Part II
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no thanks, i rather call up another youngster than have to watch Staal again. big upgrade in my opinion. he can't out of danger. just retire and stop ruining the Staal legacy
What is flawed about managment not having only the short term sight that you seem to have? They are looking big picture. You are looking at only what can be done right now.
You will not find anywhere that I have said that or alluded to see that
Clearly that has been proven wrong. But before it was, I gave you the reasoning as to why they were not scratching him for Lindgren. If you still cannot understand what I am saying, I have no idea of what else to say to you.
[/QUOTE]you want answer to your question ? who can replace staal for a few games ? here's a few
1. brendan smith can play. he cannot be worse than staal. not possible. hes actually been decent this year killing penalties. hes paid well. hes been more than ok. he ADDS something we need with some saltiness and grind. hes physical and hes a vocal player on the bench. i like his game this year. as a 3rd pair guy, and staal sitting, he an instant upgrade to this defense. [/QUOTE]
Smith is not being moved from a role that he has shown he can be pretty good at and into a role in which he was a disaster at. And that is the smart thing to keep doing.
I have you all the reasoning for why I believe it was not happening already.
In your view. Clearly in the view of the coaching staff and management, they were not. And maybe still are not even with last night's performance.
You keep asking the same question and I keep giving you the same answer.
Maybe they are so protective because the team sucks so badly and that is not the environment for them to play in? Or maybe they are so protective because they absolutely do not care about what is going on right now and absolutely care about what is going to be going on in 2, 3, 4 years down the line and believe that more development time enhances that?
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
I'd argue Staal is the one who's needed maintenance games, for the longest time. The young legs should be playing every night.
I thought he looked good last year as well. Only defenseman on the team who actively defends the front of the net and not re actively. Of was until Trouba came along.
But the point was that he was waiting until the coaching staff and management thought that he did not need more development and was ready to play minutes. Of course now, I only hope that he can stay.
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He was average to bad last year but he's been horrendous this year. Even Quinn see's it
An 'upper body injury' may force him on LTIR.
An 'upper body injury' may force him on LTIR.
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Your hate for arguably the most likable Ranger since the 20th century is amazing.
Your hate for arguably the most likable Ranger since the 20th century is amazing.
Staal?
but for real, that zuccarello contract is boootttyyy.
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Sell sell sell
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Honestly, it's amazing that Staal is even still playing after what happened to his vision. I can't imagine what losing a significant amount of vision out of an eye does to a player at the highest level of competition.
With that being said, he hasn't been an NHL-level defender in a couple years. Any perceived "blood debt" this team had to Marc Staal has been paid already. Gorton needs to do whatever he can to get Staal onto LTIR, just like every other team is able to when they really need the cap space.
Staal still gets his money, and the Rangers get the cap space. He would be a great guy to bring back into the organization in some capacity, just like the Rangers have done for other players.
With that being said, he hasn't been an NHL-level defender in a couple years. Any perceived "blood debt" this team had to Marc Staal has been paid already. Gorton needs to do whatever he can to get Staal onto LTIR, just like every other team is able to when they really need the cap space.
Staal still gets his money, and the Rangers get the cap space. He would be a great guy to bring back into the organization in some capacity, just like the Rangers have done for other players.
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This is the annoying part. other teams have their players become allergic to their equipment all the time.
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I'd be surprised if Staal doesn't know the writing is on the wall at this point, especially if Lindgren can stick and simply makes it hard to take him out of the lineup.
So that begs the question, does he walk away rather than sit with a year left on his deal? Does everyone suck it up and essentially let him ride it out as a 7th defenseman?
The concern to this point was primarily whether a kid was ready to step into the NHL and avoiding a situation where he bounces back and forth. If Lindgren is here for good, I don't get the sense that the Rangers are inclined to revert back to Staal.
But all of this remains to be seen.
So that begs the question, does he walk away rather than sit with a year left on his deal? Does everyone suck it up and essentially let him ride it out as a 7th defenseman?
The concern to this point was primarily whether a kid was ready to step into the NHL and avoiding a situation where he bounces back and forth. If Lindgren is here for good, I don't get the sense that the Rangers are inclined to revert back to Staal.
But all of this remains to be seen.
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I see the Rangers letting Staal ride this year out as the default #7. Maybe he gets in for a game here and there if someone needs a fire lit under their ass, but I don't expect him to see regular game action when it's painfully clear he's a net negative.
I think management was able to keep him on the roster for so long because of leadership qualities, as well as the "unknown quantity" of potential replacements. I mean, no one in Hartford was banging down the door. Lindgren doesn't play a flashy game, and he's not an offensive D, so it's not like you could look at flashy numbers and tell the kid needed to be playing at the NHL level.
Management is going to have a tough decision to make at the end of the year. I really hope they don't buy him out. Convince him to go on LTIR.
I think management was able to keep him on the roster for so long because of leadership qualities, as well as the "unknown quantity" of potential replacements. I mean, no one in Hartford was banging down the door. Lindgren doesn't play a flashy game, and he's not an offensive D, so it's not like you could look at flashy numbers and tell the kid needed to be playing at the NHL level.
Management is going to have a tough decision to make at the end of the year. I really hope they don't buy him out. Convince him to go on LTIR.
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Oh you mean the guy that didnt practice with the team for the entire season to limit his time in the uniform? the guy that had open legions all over his body from the gear? the guy mulitple team mates said would take the gear off and have burn marks all over his body? They did that to him on purpose? f***. Thats wild and not some stupid fan conspiracy theory at all.
Staal's first game back after sitting out a few games can't be any worse than his normal game... that is the only upside to him ever playing again in a NYR uniform. I'm as happy he is sitting as when Glass was traded or retired. I don't even remember what happened to him prior to joining the team's front office...
Not sure why you're quoting me? I was merely responding to the question of who it was, not commenting on if it was real or factual.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Buyout seems a no-brainer to me.
Cap hit of Staal kept another year and then replaced by a LD on an ELC in '21-'22:
'20-'21: $5.7MM
'21-'22: $0.9MM
Cap hit of Staal bought out and replaced by a LD on an ELC in '20-'21:
'20-'21: $4.5MM
'21-'22: $2.0MM
(Of course, they may present the latter scenario to Staal before executing it, and he may then decide to use the eye as a reason to go on LTIR.)
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Yes, and my point is that buying out Staal and replacing him with an ELC is actually cheaper ($4.5MM cap hit) than simply holding on to him ($5.7MM cap hit).
Do you folks think Staal got a longer leash just due to his tenure? Or did Quinn take too long to see what everyone else saw?
