Marc Bergevin
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Your poll options kind of suck. At least do a grading curve, or less subjective choices.
I hesitated between "I've seen worst" (we all have - Houle. 100% worst, please no one try to deny this, he had no idea what he was doing) and "Not that bad".
I don't think Bergevin did a bad job across all areas - in some ways he did very good, but in some he didn't. In the end, I did not vote for "not that bad" because as a whole, I think it was bad. His last ~3 years was better, but it's still his responsibility some of the huge mistakes the team had (kept Therrien on way too long, caused the whole PK departure thing, dresser room blew up, couldn't develop players for shit, let alone draft).
So I vote "i've seen worst". Houle was worst. Gauthier was a disaster too - didn't he trade a player mid-game, along with a bunch of other weird moves? Also - even though I like Gainey in general - I don't know that I ever hated an off-season more than the year he got rid of Koivu and Kovalev to bring in Gomez + Brian Gionta. That was such an obvious disaster in the making to me at the time, and it didn't age well.
Glad Bergevin is gone. It's way past due for a new era. And I feel quite good about Gorton overall, so excited to see where things go
I hesitated between "I've seen worst" (we all have - Houle. 100% worst, please no one try to deny this, he had no idea what he was doing) and "Not that bad".
I don't think Bergevin did a bad job across all areas - in some ways he did very good, but in some he didn't. In the end, I did not vote for "not that bad" because as a whole, I think it was bad. His last ~3 years was better, but it's still his responsibility some of the huge mistakes the team had (kept Therrien on way too long, caused the whole PK departure thing, dresser room blew up, couldn't develop players for shit, let alone draft).
So I vote "i've seen worst". Houle was worst. Gauthier was a disaster too - didn't he trade a player mid-game, along with a bunch of other weird moves? Also - even though I like Gainey in general - I don't know that I ever hated an off-season more than the year he got rid of Koivu and Kovalev to bring in Gomez + Brian Gionta. That was such an obvious disaster in the making to me at the time, and it didn't age well.
Glad Bergevin is gone. It's way past due for a new era. And I feel quite good about Gorton overall, so excited to see where things go
You have 6 options... I thought it would be enough...
If you are in between those options you can just write a wall of text saying you don't agree.
Beendair Donedat
You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
They usually give you 3 or 4 choices over there, I'm already at 6, don't you disrespect me like that!
He started with a top 3 pick and the team he built after 10 years will probably end up with a top 3 pick.
he’s not as bad as the extreme voices on this board, but he wasn’t great. His trade wins seldom made the team better on the whole.
the team progressively got worse as he changed up the core he inherited. The COVID seasons masked how badly the team was built.
The prospect pool is better than the one he inherited, but it’s the least you can expect from a team that has been in the bottom half of the league for the majority of the last 7 seasons.
when MB got the team, he had Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Markov, Plekanec, Gallagher to work around. Do we have a group of players that good at the moment? Not really. Suzuki, Caufield have promise, but neither are at the level of the aforementioned group (minus Gallagher). All prospects potentially that good are just hopeful at the moment.
there were some good moments over the last 10 years, but they are overshadowed by a lot of frustrating ones.
he oscillated between being an okay GM and a mediocre one over the last 10 years.
he’s not as bad as the extreme voices on this board, but he wasn’t great. His trade wins seldom made the team better on the whole.
the team progressively got worse as he changed up the core he inherited. The COVID seasons masked how badly the team was built.
The prospect pool is better than the one he inherited, but it’s the least you can expect from a team that has been in the bottom half of the league for the majority of the last 7 seasons.
when MB got the team, he had Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Markov, Plekanec, Gallagher to work around. Do we have a group of players that good at the moment? Not really. Suzuki, Caufield have promise, but neither are at the level of the aforementioned group (minus Gallagher). All prospects potentially that good are just hopeful at the moment.
there were some good moments over the last 10 years, but they are overshadowed by a lot of frustrating ones.
he oscillated between being an okay GM and a mediocre one over the last 10 years.
Fair and accurate.
I'll add that we'll only know Bergevin's complete legacy in three/four years when his prospects have developed, for better or worse. We can't say say what kind of team Gorton has inherited yet.
HuGort
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Got us to Finals, last spring first magical run we had since '93. I voted not that bad
salbutera
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MBs tenure wasn’t that bad on the whole - he achieved significantly more playoff success than almost all of his so called great peers who were hired in the same period - Nill, Sakic, Chevaldayoff, Shanahan etc.
However, his successes were completely negated by horrendous amateur drafting & lack of flexibility to be innovative / try new things - not recognizing it was time to move on from Timmins was a major management blunder, showing lack of vision regardless even if it was driven by loyalty to a fault
However, his successes were completely negated by horrendous amateur drafting & lack of flexibility to be innovative / try new things - not recognizing it was time to move on from Timmins was a major management blunder, showing lack of vision regardless even if it was driven by loyalty to a fault
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Seb
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I would've voted "brutal" if it was a choice.
Brutal is how I'd describe how it was to watch Habs games while he was the GM.
I settled for WTF because he had some genius moves and some of the worst ones as well.
WTF is also pretty accurate for how last season followed by the playoffs followed by the offseason went.
Brutal is how I'd describe how it was to watch Habs games while he was the GM.
I settled for WTF because he had some genius moves and some of the worst ones as well.
WTF is also pretty accurate for how last season followed by the playoffs followed by the offseason went.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
An unmitigated disaster that gets graduation goggles because of the Cinderella run last year.
Wasted more than half his tenure on terrible developmental coaches like Therrien and Lefebvre.
Instilled a culture of nepotism and cronyism.
Blew the handling of 2 top 3 picks.
Wasted the primes of top end talents and failed to ever pick a direction.
10 years and he didn't leave it any better than he found it and set records of incompetence that will stand the test of time.
His parting gift was selecting a sex offender, letting a top 3 pick go to use that first for a 3rd line center.
Wasted more than half his tenure on terrible developmental coaches like Therrien and Lefebvre.
Instilled a culture of nepotism and cronyism.
Blew the handling of 2 top 3 picks.
Wasted the primes of top end talents and failed to ever pick a direction.
10 years and he didn't leave it any better than he found it and set records of incompetence that will stand the test of time.
His parting gift was selecting a sex offender, letting a top 3 pick go to use that first for a 3rd line center.
jackeymoon
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Made two great trades, some ok trades, a few really really bad ones (Shaw, Eller and Sergachev are horrible)
Terrible drafting and development. Mistreated many guys for not being a foxhole soldier (particularly Radu and Markov, the latter being unforgivable)
Terrible contract extensions and signings overall.
Bad coaching decisions, hires and zero accountability on the management side
I'd give him a 4/10 in general for missing 2 top 3 picks, trading a very good D man for a mediocre winger, hiring garbage development coaches (Sly), hiring based on friendship and not meritocracy and finally for leaving the team in a worse state than when he found it.
Terrible drafting and development. Mistreated many guys for not being a foxhole soldier (particularly Radu and Markov, the latter being unforgivable)
Terrible contract extensions and signings overall.
Bad coaching decisions, hires and zero accountability on the management side
I'd give him a 4/10 in general for missing 2 top 3 picks, trading a very good D man for a mediocre winger, hiring garbage development coaches (Sly), hiring based on friendship and not meritocracy and finally for leaving the team in a worse state than when he found it.
The Gr8 Dane
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The witch is dead! The witch is dead! Peace has returned to the realm! The peasants dance in the streets in joy as an era of mediocrity comes to an end!
Bergy I think when evaluating goes better when you break it up in 2-year chunks.
2012-2014 - Not that bad
2014-2016 - I’ve seen worse
2016-2018 - WTF
2018 - to up to July 2021 - Good job
After July 2021 - Utter, complete disaster
He’s had some good jobs and WTF during each period, but above is my general feeling.
In the end, I think Bergy is going to be remembered more for the bad than the good, and honestly, if he just ended after our Cinderella run, I’d probably say overall, not that bad. However, based on how he left the team, any good he’s done was undone the moment they drafted who they did. It was ALL downhill since.
2012-2014 - Not that bad
2014-2016 - I’ve seen worse
2016-2018 - WTF
2018 - to up to July 2021 - Good job
After July 2021 - Utter, complete disaster
He’s had some good jobs and WTF during each period, but above is my general feeling.
In the end, I think Bergy is going to be remembered more for the bad than the good, and honestly, if he just ended after our Cinderella run, I’d probably say overall, not that bad. However, based on how he left the team, any good he’s done was undone the moment they drafted who they did. It was ALL downhill since.
Habs Halifax
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Agreed. It's probably going to be meh in the end but the time to evaluate his job as a whole will have to wait until we see how his reset of higher draft power has worked. I value the high draft power but to me it helps with depth holes, not top of the line-up assets.
Some indictments;
- Draft/Development record
(Lehkonen is only player on team with +80 games that was drafted/developed in-house)
- Failure to acquire top 6 center
(More than 40 Top6 Cs were acquired via trade, FA or drafting during his tenure. None by the Habs)
- Failure to acquire PMDs
(Our current defence is much worse than when we started and we have basic issues leaving our zone let alone entering the o-zone as a team)
- Negotiating top player contracts (Price, Subban, Gallagher, Markov, Radulov, Kotkaniemi, Danault, etc.)
- Negotiating lower-end contracts
(Armia, Byron, etc.)
- Bad FA signings
(Alzner, Savard, etc. )
- PR nightmares
(Issues trying to defend Mailloux pick, interest in Voynov/DeAngelo/etc., Subban trade, disrespecting players like Markov, negotiating via the media, etc.)
His development record has undoubtedly done the most damage with many players even publicly criticizing it in the media. (Pacioretty, Mete, Sergachev, Kotkaniemi, Hudon, Fucale, Eller, etc.)
- Draft/Development record
(Lehkonen is only player on team with +80 games that was drafted/developed in-house)
- Failure to acquire top 6 center
(More than 40 Top6 Cs were acquired via trade, FA or drafting during his tenure. None by the Habs)
- Failure to acquire PMDs
(Our current defence is much worse than when we started and we have basic issues leaving our zone let alone entering the o-zone as a team)
- Negotiating top player contracts (Price, Subban, Gallagher, Markov, Radulov, Kotkaniemi, Danault, etc.)
- Negotiating lower-end contracts
(Armia, Byron, etc.)
- Bad FA signings
(Alzner, Savard, etc. )
- PR nightmares
(Issues trying to defend Mailloux pick, interest in Voynov/DeAngelo/etc., Subban trade, disrespecting players like Markov, negotiating via the media, etc.)
His development record has undoubtedly done the most damage with many players even publicly criticizing it in the media. (Pacioretty, Mete, Sergachev, Kotkaniemi, Hudon, Fucale, Eller, etc.)
Habs Halifax
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Ironically, the two worse off seasons were the expansion draft years. 2017 and 2021. Whenever he had a big to do list, he struggled
2017:
* Price Contract
* Markov/Radulov gone
* Drouin/Sergachev trade
* Alzner signing
2021:
* Price exposed and not taken
* Weber/Danault gone
* KK Offer Sheet
* Savard signing
* The 1st rounder distraction
* Suzuki contract too high? We will see about that.
The 2014-2015 trade deadline will always be ultimate WTF moment. You have Subban, Petry, Markov, Price. You’re not gonna get better than that on the back end and in goal. You can’t score, so you pick up Brian Flynn and Torrey Mitchell at the deadline.
that was the year to go all in. That roster was just missing some scoring.
Archijerej
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I hesitated between "not that bad" and "I've seen worse". I've been generous with my vote, choosing the former option, because I don't want to be influenced by the fact that I'm currently pissed at Bergevin.
He did good in some areas, but he was clearly bad in others.
EDIT: Actually, I would like to change my vote to "I've seen worse". He started with Price, Markov, Subban, Plekanec, Pacioretty and Gallagher, as well as a 3OA pick.
Additionally, he's had another 3OA pick and a 9OA pick.
He doesn't deserve a vote in the top half of options, at least until one of the prospects he accumulated turns into something special.
He did good in some areas, but he was clearly bad in others.
EDIT: Actually, I would like to change my vote to "I've seen worse". He started with Price, Markov, Subban, Plekanec, Pacioretty and Gallagher, as well as a 3OA pick.
Additionally, he's had another 3OA pick and a 9OA pick.
He doesn't deserve a vote in the top half of options, at least until one of the prospects he accumulated turns into something special.
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