Management Thread | 5th Youngest Team in the League Edition

[Vector]

There are some very interesting names represented by Glasberg - a few of whom have been thrown around as names to watch for in this market.

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Gronborg, Velucci, and Rierden were all talked about here before Tocchet.

This sort of stuff fascinates me.

Housley was the Coyotes power play coach with Tocchet.

Gronborg is someone I’d be extremely interested in. Apparently compliments the weaknesses that Tocchet says he himself has.

 

[Hit the post]

Housley was the Coyotes power play coach with Tocchet.

Gronborg is someone I’d be extremely interested in. Apparently compliments the weaknesses that Tocchet says he himself has.

If wonder if he can still play?

 

[RandV]

If wonder if he can still play?

Don't need him.

Hughes-Foote
Gonchar-Hronek

Defense solved!

 

[andora]

Don't need him.

Hughes-Foote
Gonchar-Hronek

Defense solved!

Talk about a perfect partner for foote

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I really like that response.

I can almost hear the smirk.

 

[Hodgy]

I really don’t get the Rutherford speculation. He came in here and was very honest with the media about a number of things and it burned him on the Boudreau situation. So he literally came out and told everyone this and said that he needed to be less honest and vocal. And now he’s been less vocal and people are speculating as to why? Some of you folks are like gold fishes.

 

[Ernie]

I fear what kind of dwerps Aquaman hires to perform the rebuild when it gets to that. Could be as soon as next summer if they fail to make the playoffs.

Oh, there still won't be a rebuild.

Elias Pettersson will be traded for "win now" players.

Then they'll trade Hoglander and Podkolzin for Erik Karlsson. Just one year off his Norris win! Let's be real, a large percentage of fans will eat it up.

Could it work? We won't know until we see them play! (it won't work)

 

[m9]

I really don’t get the Rutherford speculation. He came in here and was very honest with the media about a number of things and it burned him on the Boudreau situation. So he literally came out and told everyone this and said that he needed to be less honest and vocal. And now he’s been less vocal and people are speculating as to why? Some of you folks are like gold fishes.

There is a difference between less vocal and physically not even being there for a year-end presser, though. I think everyone understands him being less vocal.

 

[andora]

Rutherford being at that end of year could have been a distraction from discussing future things .. rather than dwelling

 

[DS7]

Lots of arguing from the retool side that a rebuild is not a good idea.

...is anybody pitching a rebuild? Not really that I've seen.

I think we're talking more about retool to compete ASAP vs continue building.

Why not bottom out this season and trade Horvat and JT after the start the team had? 4 first rounders in a stacked draft, oooh, Pete will be mad that the team has some actual direction and is clearly forging a path to success!

At worst that should be two impact players from the draft that can slot in within the next couple years. Hell, a top 5 pick might contribute this upcoming season. Sign a free agent 2C and a defender or two, will be more cap space with Miller's cash off the books.

We don't have enough core pieces to be a winning team and we don't have the assets to trade for more core pieces, so keep building through the draft and if Pettersson can't see that this is a better way for the team to become a real contender with only a little more short term pain, maybe we shouldn't have made a current roster player our GM.

BUT AQUA

The irony is if you were on team tank this season you were aiming to shortcut vs a longer painful rebuild down the line.

But I guess if we finished 22nd instead of 30th Petey decides to sign with us long term?

 

[tyhee]

There is a difference between less vocal and physically not even being there for a year-end presser, though. I think everyone understands him being less vocal.

I thought it very unusual but it might have made some sense.

Rutherford has been the voice of the franchise since he arrived. Allvin hasn't received much in the way of attention from the press. It makes sense to me if he wants to transition the press attention over to the general manager.

Also, he really did get (rightfully) burned with the way he was so vocal about not having anything to do with hiring Boudreau, thinking he had a shorter deal and thinking his system lacked structure. I could see him wanting to stay out of the limelight, maybe even lacking a bit of confidence but mostly just wanting to find a way to be less vocal. Not being there certainly accomplished it.

It doesn't have to mean he won't be there when he has to be. The team really doesn't need the team president to always be the face of the franchise and in the circumstances perhaps it makes sense for Rutherford to be taking steps to get away from that.

Some speculation which is just that and nothing more-Rutherford came to Vancouver and before long was talking about the need to get younger and cut cap. They haven't done a great job of cutting cap and it may be that he's let his general manager manage or taken direction from the owner and wouldn't have made one or more decisions if he'd been the decider. In that case, with the way he's been excoriated for his Boudreau comments, he might well decide that it didn't make sense to risk him putting his foot in his mouth again and to let the general manager actually answer questions about the management of the team.

Who knows? I'm sure there is some reasoning behind it but guess we could speculate for a long time without ever knowing. I don't think think it is necessarily a bad thing but on that, to quote JB fans who kept saying it for far too long, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I thought it very unusual but it might have made some sense.

Rutherford has been the voice of the franchise since he arrived. Allvin hasn't received much in the way of attention from the press. It makes sense to me if he wants to transition the press attention over to the general manager.

Also, he really did get (rightfully) burned with the way he was so vocal about not having anything to do with hiring Boudreau, thinking he had a shorter deal and thinking his system lacked structure. I could see him wanting to stay out of the limelight, maybe even lacking a bit of confidence but mostly just wanting to find a way to be less vocal. Not being there certainly accomplished it.

It doesn't have to mean he won't be there when he has to be. The team really doesn't need the team president to always be the face of the franchise and in the circumstances perhaps it makes sense for Rutherford to be taking steps to get away from that.

Some speculation which is just that and nothing more-Rutherford came to Vancouver and before long was talking about the need to get younger and cut cap. They haven't done a great job of cutting cap and it may be that he's let his general manager manage or taken direction from the owner and wouldn't have made one or more decisions if he'd been the decider. In that case, with the way he's been excoriated for his Boudreau comments, he might well decide that it didn't make sense to risk him putting his foot in his mouth again and to let the general manager actually answer questions about the management of the team.

Who knows? I'm sure there is some reasoning behind it but guess we could speculate for a long time without ever knowing. I don't think think it is necessarily a bad thing but on that, to quote JB fans who kept saying it for far too long, we'll have to wait and see.

Jim Rutherford lacking confidence..lol..You cant be serious.

With his accomplishments (and his age) , he doesn't give a flying f*** if people accept him or not.

He's only stopped speaking to the media, because his brutal honesty (whether you agree with it or not) gets him in hot water.

 

[m9]

I thought it very unusual but it might have made some sense.

Rutherford has been the voice of the franchise since he arrived. Allvin hasn't received much in the way of attention from the press. It makes sense to me if he wants to transition the press attention over to the general manager.

Also, he really did get (rightfully) burned with the way he was so vocal about not having anything to do with hiring Boudreau, thinking he had a shorter deal and thinking his system lacked structure. I could see him wanting to stay out of the limelight, maybe even lacking a bit of confidence but mostly just wanting to find a way to be less vocal. Not being there certainly accomplished it.

It doesn't have to mean he won't be there when he has to be. The team really doesn't need the team president to always be the face of the franchise and in the circumstances perhaps it makes sense for Rutherford to be taking steps to get away from that.

Some speculation which is just that and nothing more-Rutherford came to Vancouver and before long was talking about the need to get younger and cut cap. They haven't done a great job of cutting cap and it may be that he's let his general manager manage or taken direction from the owner and wouldn't have made one or more decisions if he'd been the decider. In that case, with the way he's been excoriated for his Boudreau comments, he might well decide that it didn't make sense to risk him putting his foot in his mouth again and to let the general manager actually answer questions about the management of the team.

Who knows? I'm sure there is some reasoning behind it but guess we could speculate for a long time without ever knowing. I don't think think it is necessarily a bad thing but on that, to quote JB fans who kept saying it for far too long, we'll have to wait and see.

Yup. I agree there is some sense to it and it could just be a natural progression of JR phasing himself out of certain things. For now, it's just something to note and see where things go.

 

[andora]

So with guys like perbix 24 and raddysh 27 coming in and contributing and guys like colton (breaking in at 25) and paul (being a cog on contender at 27) is it ok for us if guys arent busting down the door at 21?

 

[Bubbles]

So with guys like perbix 24 and raddysh 27 coming in and contributing and guys like colton (breaking in at 25) and paul (being a cog on contender at 27) is it ok for us if guys arent busting down the door at 21?

Different situation in TB though. They have the luxury of leaving guys in the minors because of the depth they have at the NHL level. They know exactly when to graduate a guy (usually just right before a guy leaves for free agency.)

It's been better the last two years but Canucks player development has been horrendous.

And their pro-scouting is just leagues ahead of everyone. Who thought Brandon Hagel would have 64 points at a bargain basement price of 1.5 million??

 

[andora]

Different situation in TB though. They have the luxury of leaving guys in the minors because of the depth they have at the NHL level. They know exactly when to graduate a guy (usually just right before a guy leaves for free agency.)

Different situation doesnt negate the validity of the concept.

Seems like a lazy thing thing to fall back on - but its different

It's been better the last two years but Canucks player development has been horrendous.

And their pro-scouting is just leagues ahead of everyone. Who thought Brandon Hagel would have 64 points at a bargain basement price of 1.5 million??

Yes.. pro scouting is critical and ours is atleast trending properly. Pro scouting alleviates the pressure of drafting..

 

[Bubbles]

Different situation doesnt negate the validity of the concept.

Seems like a lazy thing thing to fall back on - but its different

Well the concept is always good IF the organization is properly organized. But the Canucks have never thought that way at all, they've always rushed prospects no matter if they were ready or not. In some cases good (Hughes, Petey) some cases, not.

The constant need to win instead at the cost of development has always been the crutch.

When was the last Canucks prospect that anyone thought was "overcooked" in the minors?

 

[andora]

Well the concept is always good IF the organization is properly organized. But the Canucks have never thought that way at all, they've always rushed prospects no matter if they were ready or not. In some cases good (Hughes, Petey) some cases, not.

The constant need to win instead at the cost of development has always been the crutch.

When was the last Canucks prospect that anyone thought was "overcooked" in the minors?

Living in the past a bit here

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Jim Rutherford was wrong to throw his coach under the bus, and leave him hanging....The whole organization got shat upon by the fans, media, and TV (a big dressing down on HNIC to boot..coast to coast).

I didnt like what JR said about Boudreau and his systems (it should have been said behind closed doors)....Conversely, JR was 100% bang on correct about the Canucks poor coaching systems...The truth hurts...This has come to light via the players post season comments ...The coaching issue (up in the air) had an adverse effect on the players...and the players had no clue as where they were supposed to be on the ice.

JR is a blunt instrument ,and doesnt hold back..I admire his honesty (even though I dont always agree with it)...Its a pity he decided not to do interviews anymore (because of a potential shit show).

Make no mistake, even though he is no longer doing interviews , he is the guy (like the Godfather) puling all the strings behind the scenes.

 

[RandV]

Living in the past a bit here

I mean really is it that hard to ask for some recognition that Jim Benning was a generational bad GM, and a little over a year and a half is a little too soon to proclaim new management is exactly the same? Not necessarily being done here, but that's been a common sentiment over his season.

In regards to what's being discussed, Tampa certainly keeps on rolling with top tier scouting and player development. Though they showed this season they're not infallible as their Bradon Hagel followup, Tanner Jeannot, looks like a huge waste of assets. Regardless though just forgetting about Tampa for a second and just focusing on Canucks new regime vs old regime there has been a massive improvement in the farm club this year which is the direction they need to be moving for player development to be an organizational asset.

 

[arttk]

Well the concept is always good IF the organization is properly organized. But the Canucks have never thought that way at all, they've always rushed prospects no matter if they were ready or not. In some cases good (Hughes, Petey) some cases, not.

The constant need to win instead at the cost of development has always been the crutch.

When was the last Canucks prospect that anyone thought was "overcooked" in the minors?

Let’s not assume Benning is still in charge and ignoring development

 

[andora]

I mean really is it that hard to ask for some recognition that Jim Benning was a generational bad GM, and a little over a year and a half is a little too soon to proclaim new management is exactly the same? Not necessarily being done here, but that's been a common sentiment over his season.

In regards to what's being discussed, Tampa certainly keeps on rolling with top tier scouting and player development. Though they showed this season they're not infallible as their Bradon Hagel followup, Tanner Jeannot, looks like a huge waste of assets. Regardless though just forgetting about Tampa for a second and just focusing on Canucks new regime vs old regime there has been a massive improvement in the farm club this year which is the direction they need to be moving for player development to be an organizational asset.

100%

 

[Ernie]

So with guys like perbix 24 and raddysh 27 coming in and contributing and guys like colton (breaking in at 25) and paul (being a cog on contender at 27) is it ok for us if guys arent busting down the door at 21?

Aside from Perbix, who just came out of college last season, all those players have been in the NHL for multiple seasons. Raddysh is 25.

 

[Vector]

Aside from Perbix, who just came out of college last season, all those players have been in the NHL for multiple seasons. Raddysh is 25.

You are thinking of the wrong Raddysh.

 

[andora]

Aside from Perbix, who just came out of college last season, all those players have been in the NHL for multiple seasons. Raddysh is 25.

Vector pointed out raddysh.. and my point was ages of colton and paul establishing