Management Thread | 5th Youngest Team in the League Edition

[VanillaCoke]

Seems like Rutherford is on his way out this summer

 

[Diogenes92]

Seems like Rutherford is on his way out this summer

He must've accidently mentioned the world "rebuild" to Fatquilini.

 

[m9]

He's not being phased out in anyway..I'm also sure that he's front and centre on the team direction and transactions.

After the Boudreau firing/no defensive structure drama..JR said that he's going to 'zip it' from that point on...No more speaking to media.

and he's kept his word....(which is a shame really, because he is very insightful).

Canucks president Rutherford holding firm on "zip it" pledge | Offside

Canucks president of hockey operations Jim Rutherford is holding firm to his “zip it” pledge and skipped yesterday’s press conference.

dailyhive.com

Within a year he's gone from the face of hockey operations to not even being present at the year-end press conference.

Behind the scenes, who knows.

Like I said above, I still think there's a pretty good chance it's nothing. But there is some smoke here, and to just completely dismiss it like it's a wild conspiracy theory seems odd to me.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Within a year he's gone from the face of hockey operations to not even being present at the year-end press conference.

Behind the scenes, who knows.

Like I said above, I still think there's a pretty good chance it's nothing. But there is some smoke here, and to just complete dismiss it like it's a wild conspiracy theory seems odd to me.

I agree with there being smoke. Something is up with JR.

 

[Orr4Norris]

I agree with there being smoke. Something is up with JR.

It has happened before where a GM got the ear of ownership over the president.

 

[strattonius]

I can't figure out why some of you are confused why Rutherford skipped the media day.

He said he needed to keep his mouth shut and apologized profusely about the handling of Boudreau. He even mentioned taking a step back from the media....then he did.....

It's obvious he doesn't want his level of honesty to get him in trouble again with the media. And I think it's smart - Alvin handled himself better than he ever has with that meeting and is taking the forefront on media communications.

 

[Jyrki21]

Just wait until we see just how good the top 5 in this draft actually are

We will be told to “move on”.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I can't figure out why some of you are confused why Rutherford skipped the media day.

He said he needed to keep his mouth shut and apologized profusely about the handling of Boudreau. He even mentioned taking a step back from the media....then he did.....

It's obvious he doesn't want his level of honesty to get him in trouble again with the media. And I think it's smart - Alvin handled himself better than he ever has with that meeting and is taking the forefront on media communications.

JR should take a step back, that's fine, but to be non-existent in that realm doesn't make sense. Maybe it is him just overcorrecting. Maybe it is just that much. Even so, it is now a story in of itself. Both extremes don't show a handle on what this market is expecting of him.

 

[Breakers]

Confirming that Myers Bonus is paid in September finally

Benning allowing the SB in the final year and having it in the 2nd payout window in September.

Dumbest GM in history.

I’d file a negligence lawsuit against him

This guy has zero pushback against players agent in structuring contracts. How do you just let agents walk all over you as a GM?

 

[BigFatCat999]

Coming over from the Preds board, I have 2 questions about your team;

1) How much is your team REALLY over the cap next yr?

2) What are the contracts you REALLY want off the team?

Please and thank you's implied

 

[racerjoe]

Coming over from the Preds board, I have 2 questions about your team;

1) How much is your team REALLY over the cap next yr?

2) What are the contracts you REALLY want off the team?

Please and thank you's implied

1 - we are not over the cap provided Pearson and Poolman are LTIR.

2- Myers, OEL (probably wouldn't go anywhere with his NTC), and one of Boeser, Garland and or Beauvillier, and or if the above are not LTIR Pearson and Poolman.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

A rebuild means trading the entire young core , that makes absolutely zero sense.

Retooling means waisting that young core completely, that makes zero sense.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I can't figure out why some of you are confused why Rutherford skipped the media day.

He said he needed to keep his mouth shut and apologized profusely about the handling of Boudreau. He even mentioned taking a step back from the media....then he did.....

It's obvious he doesn't want his level of honesty to get him in trouble again with the media. And I think it's smart - Alvin handled himself better than he ever has with that meeting and is taking the forefront on media communications.

Precisely....

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Yeah, I'm getting rather tired of the incoherent screeching about anything and everything.

Conspiracy theories about forcing Larscheid out.
Blaming them for Doerrie getting upset about getting fired, absent any evidence that her claim has any merit.
Speculation about how Rutherford is being so petty and whiny and cowardly and half a dozen other things because he didn't want to attend the end of season availability, which was whining about how Alvin doens't do anything when Rutherford did show up.
Whining endlessly about how they need dmen then whining endlessly when they go get a dman.
Constant unending whining about ownership
Obsession with the magic word that is rebuild
Insane plans to somehow finish top 3 with a roster that is simply nowhere near that quality.

and on and on and on and on and on and on.


Hockey includes more than 5 on 5.

I dunno WTF this word salad is, and really it didn't address ANYTHING I said. but go on....

Maybe, just maybe, I dunno if this management group had a plan, instead of excuses and the same crap we've seen for the last 10 years, maybe people wouldn't shit on them so much? It's funny your so tired of this crap, you know what I'm tired of? Watching this team year after year perform like a f***ing clown show, both on the ice and off.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Sounds like you're the one whining.

And most of what you said is a bunch of BS.

Fans wanting a rebuild is not about wanting the "Arizona model".

Its about realizing that the team has zero depth and not enough assets to do anything meaningful.

Bedard or Fantilli would've been a lot more meaningful than a retool.

We don't know how the Hronek trade will even turn out so stop calling it a win without any evidence other than an injured player.

Thank you, people referencing this as something the fanbase wants are the most CLUELESS people in our fanbase.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Really not too surprising if JR leaves. Guy has looked like an absolute ass clown preaching messages of patience and building smart only to see a massive deficit of high end picks and more cap space being allocated to wingers.

I sort of expect a gradual shrinkage of the FO due to attrition with the roles not being backfilled.

 

[CanucksMJL]

I dunno WTF this word salad is, and really it didn't address ANYTHING I said. but go on....

Maybe, just maybe, I dunno if this management group had a plan, instead of excuses and the same crap we've seen for the last 10 years, maybe people wouldn't shit on them so much? It's funny your so tired of this crap, you know what I'm tired of? Watching this team year after year perform like a f***ing clown show, both on the ice and off.

This management group does seem to have a plan. Fitness, development, team buy-in spearheaded by top players. That is just the player side. On the management side there is explicitly stated and demonstrable cohesion between AHL and NHL levels. Players in other professional and amateur leagues have been identified, targeted and acquired.

I'll bury the lead and start with Hirose who looks like an NHL defenseman out of the box for free. 31 other teams could have signed him but they didn't. In other news Kuzmenko scored 39g. The Canucks already had "too many wingers". Quality is irrelevant and any management can recruit a 39g scorer out of thin air anyhow. Or they can't and Kuzmenko is a hockey-ops coup that some people just can't appreciate.

 

[tantalum]

Again you can go through the year end conferences for teams in the league and who attends is highly variable. The GM is always there unless he's out the door like Treliving but even then they often still do the year end press conference (see Gillis). The coach is often there but not always. Sometimes upper Hockey Ops management (like president) is there but typically much less than GM and coach. Coupled with Rutherford explicitly saying he was handing these things over the GM office and taking a step back from media makes it completely a nothing story the vancouver media has blown completely out of proportion.

Drance saying things like well there are questions on the practice facility that a GM shouldn't have to answer etc. If you feel the proper person isn't there to answer then don't ask the question in that press conference. Instead fire off questions to other via text/e-mail. Then if you don't get a response mention something.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

This management group does seem to have a plan. Fitness, development, team buy-in spearheaded by top players. That is just the player side. On the management side there is explicitly stated and demonstrable cohesion between AHL and NHL levels. Players in other professional and amateur leagues have been identified, targeted and acquired.

I'll bury the lead and start with Hirose who looks like an NHL defenseman out of the box for free. 31 other teams could have signed him but they didn't. In other news Kuzmenko scored 39g. The Canucks already had "too many wingers". Quality is irrelevant and any management can recruit a 39g scorer out of thin air anyhow. Or they can't and Kuzmenko is a hockey-ops coup that some people just can't appreciate.

A guy who played well in garbage time, that every expert says needs to play in the AHL, looking good at the end of the year when nothing matters is hardly inspiring to me. Kuz was a bright spot, no doubt.

The plan seems eerily familiar to the prior regime and guess what? They also targeted identified and acquired players in other professional and amateur leagues, it's a great concept when you have built enough balance that these players can learn and thrive, not so much when your a mediocre team with little balance and no depth....

 

[m9]

Again you can go through the year end conferences for teams in the league and who attends is highly variable. The GM is always there unless he's out the door like Treliving but even then they often still do the year end press conference (see Gillis). The coach is often there but not always. Sometimes upper Hockey Ops management (like president) is there but typically much less than GM and coach. Coupled with Rutherford explicitly saying he was handing these things over the GM office and taking a step back from media makes it completely a nothing story the vancouver media has blown completely out of proportion.

Drance saying things like well there are questions on the practice facility that a GM shouldn't have to answer etc. If you feel the proper person isn't there to answer then don't ask the question in that press conference. Instead fire off questions to other via text/e-mail. Then if you don't get a response mention something.

I did read that Aquilini/Rutherford went to the Abbotsford game together last night, which should be a good sign as well.

I do find the media chasing the "practice facility" story kind of weird. Are fans supposed to really care where the team is at in terms of a new practice facility? There has to be 100 questions that are more interesting than this one.

 

[andora]

I did read that Aquilini/Rutherford went to the Abbotsford game together last night, which should be a good sign as well.

I do find the media chasing the "practice facility" story kind of weird. Are fans supposed to really care where the team is at in terms of a new practice facility? There has to be 100 questions that are more interesting than this one.

Yeah really.. it is a storyline but to treat it as a front pager is just finding something to bitch about

 

[PuckMunchkin]

This management group does seem to have a plan. Fitness, development, team buy-in spearheaded by top players. That is just the player side. On the management side there is explicitly stated and demonstrable cohesion between AHL and NHL levels. Players in other professional and amateur leagues have been identified, targeted and acquired.

I'll bury the lead and start with Hirose who looks like an NHL defenseman out of the box for free. 31 other teams could have signed him but they didn't. In other news Kuzmenko scored 39g. The Canucks already had "too many wingers". Quality is irrelevant and any management can recruit a 39g scorer out of thin air anyhow. Or they can't and Kuzmenko is a hockey-ops coup that some people just can't appreciate.

I really like this new plan where you get awesome players from nowhere.

Next summer they should add a center Kuzmenko, 2 or 3 Kuzmenkian Dmen and a Kuzmenkoish 1b goalie.

 

[m9]

This management group does seem to have a plan. Fitness, development, team buy-in spearheaded by top players. That is just the player side. On the management side there is explicitly stated and demonstrable cohesion between AHL and NHL levels. Players in other professional and amateur leagues have been identified, targeted and acquired.

I'll bury the lead and start with Hirose who looks like an NHL defenseman out of the box for free. 31 other teams could have signed him but they didn't. In other news Kuzmenko scored 39g. The Canucks already had "too many wingers". Quality is irrelevant and any management can recruit a 39g scorer out of thin air anyhow. Or they can't and Kuzmenko is a hockey-ops coup that some people just can't appreciate.

This management group rightfully got tons of praise for their recruitment and subsequent signing of Kuzmenko. You can go back to the signing thread and see that while some were hesitant about how he would play, virtually everyone agreed it was great work by management.

People who have issues with management have issues with other things they did. You don't need to make things up about them not getting credit for Kuzmenko.

Oh, and they did have too many wingers. Still do. That's why they were playing Sheldon Dries as a 3rd line center most of the year and had a truly awful defense. Plus were one of the worst teams in the league when the games actually mattered.

 

[CanucksMJL]

I really like this new plan where you get awesome players from nowhere.

Next summer they should add a center Kuzmenko, 2 or 3 Kuzmenkian Dmen and a Kuzmenkoish 1b goalie.

The point is that a deliberate effort to lose isn't the only way to get better.

Does anyone else remember the Sabres GM's reaction to losing the loser sweepstakes for McDavid? I bet Jack Eichel remembers.

 

[CanucksMJL]

This management group rightfully got tons of praise for their recruitment and subsequent signing of Kuzmenko. You can go back to the signing thread and see that while some were hesitant about how he would play, virtually everyone agreed it was great work by management.

People who have issues with management have issues with other things they did. You don't need to make things up about them not getting credit for Kuzmenko.

Oh, and they did have too many wingers. Still do. That's why they were playing Sheldon Dries as a 3rd line center most of the year and had a truly awful defense. Plus were one of the worst teams in the league when the games actually mattered.

I was responding to a specific post.