OT: Man of Steel 2 (Batman/Superman) production leaving Van
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I work in the movie industry in the production side. Vancouver made a pitch to have all the movies shot in Vancouver and area, but the talks never got serious, based upon the information that I have been given.Vancouver has been saturated with different shootings and the forthing coming shooting schedule is packed. None of the industry papers or sites I am a member of had Vancouver mentioned as shooting location. London,NY and LA is listed for Superman/Batman
Raistlin
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Post production should have a portion of it coming to Vancouver still, considering Vancouver is still considered a global hotbed for VFX work. But I know more and more of the post production houses are spliting off their studios to places like Montreal and T.O. not to mention the allure of cheap labor in markets like India, Singapore and China. If the provinical governement don't keep up, I do fear we will only lose more and more of the physical film work to other provinces.
LickTheEnvelope
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There's soooooooo many productions going on in Vancouver though. Just a quick rundown of new shows like Bates Motel and Almost Human from Comicon to add to a slew of movies.
Bleach Clean
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Yes, the post production in VAN should still be involved.
I used to work in the industry as an agent, and to me, this kind of thing happened all the time. Big movie or small.
I see nothing "messed up" about not ponying up even more huge subsidies than the already huge subsidies on offer.
Enough is enough.
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I'd rather get 10% of something than 25% of nothing.
Our economy, like the US' will have an issue dealing with competitive forces in countries where labor is basically free. I already see accounting firms shipping some of their audit work to asia for vouching samples...it's only a matter of time until the Chinese firms are selecting samples and doing the planning too.
Brain Sergeant
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Fantastic Four went to shoot in Louisiana, their tax breaks are pretty similar to Vancouvers, so there is speculation that some of the outdoor locations there fit what they were looking for more so then here and also the 5% labor breaks for hiring in-state workers which I dont think we have.
Like others have said, we have pretty good incentives to use our VFX studios here, so a lot of post production is still done here anyway. The government also needs to do a better job of keeping the whole production here.
For the people saying "Oh well look at the shows like Bates Motel that still shoot here." Movies like Man of Steel and Fantastic Four are huge productions that employ 2/3 times the amount of people and bring in way, way more money into the economy, its not really comparable.
Like others have said, we have pretty good incentives to use our VFX studios here, so a lot of post production is still done here anyway. The government also needs to do a better job of keeping the whole production here.
For the people saying "Oh well look at the shows like Bates Motel that still shoot here." Movies like Man of Steel and Fantastic Four are huge productions that employ 2/3 times the amount of people and bring in way, way more money into the economy, its not really comparable.
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and then they don't bring their business to Vancouver
#competition #capitalism
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putridgasbag
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I'm pretty sure they also pay income taxes, sales taxes on the goods they purchase...
Barney Gumble
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Worst kind - corporate welfare. At least if you're essentially giving money to people - give it to those that actually ARE poor.
Look on the bright side - at least we won't be associated with that grade z Marvel franchise. Didn't think much of the FF comic books - even less so of the FF movies. At least with Iron Man (another comic book I didn't care for) made movies that were actually good movies (eg., well....maybe so much for Iron Man 2).
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Actually it's a double whammy of the HST getting revoked and the provincial government not renewing the tax credits which recently expired. You should keep in mind that this isn't a handout as much as it is a rebate, they previously got a refund on the taxes they were paying for filming here. So not renewing them will increase your tax revenue for a bit, but instead of giving 20% back on the $1,000,000 a show generated in taxes (I have no idea what the numbers actually are) you're giving 0% back on a $1,000,000 in taxes show A and 0% on $0 of show B because they've packed up and moved to Toronto who is offering them an even better 30% back.
So it may increase revenue in the short term but in the long run you're going to lose a significant amount of jobs and taxes. One of the kickers here is that the incentives are actually higher in Toronto, but most shows/productions were still staying here where they've been long established. But now that the incentives are simply gone they're packing up and moving, and it's not going to be easy to bring them back.
Now what I don't get, I know a little of people will say "no subsidies on big business!" and I can understand that, but wtf is the Liberal government doing when they're supposed to be all about creating jobs and supporting business? Thousands of jobs and who knows how many millions in taxes are simply walking out the door and they're responding by basically just staring blankly at a wall.
Well to be fair they did do something, the dropped $30 or so million to host some 2nd rate Bollywood awards show that no one in that industry even really cares about.
Brain Sergeant
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Name 20 network shows that shoot in Vancouver.
There is like 5 and none of them are big money shows. Psych, Supernatural, Almost Human, Bates Motel and Once Upon a Time.
I would almost be willing (and this is totally me just guessing) to bet that Big Eyes (filming here now) and Tomorrowland (starting filming here next week) bring in more for the economy then those 5 shows.
Do you work in the industry? There are lots of other shows being filmed here, Continuum is another I have done work on, easily there are 10. Whether the shows get picked up or not is another thing, but there are lots.
Lots of the studio films fly in their own crews for the most important work anyway.
Further increasing subsidies and tax breaks is just a race to the bottom that is not sustainable in the end.
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Can someone please provide a list of jobs, (what, how many, for how long, and if a local fills that position) a movie such as superman vs batman would provide?
Batman The Dark Knight Rises, had a budget of $250 M and grossed $1,080,472,000
Also interested in what happens to people in these jobs (whatever they are) when the production is finished?
Im just more interested in facts about if something is good or not. Not just a philosophical good vs bad discussion.
Batman The Dark Knight Rises, had a budget of $250 M and grossed $1,080,472,000
Also interested in what happens to people in these jobs (whatever they are) when the production is finished?
Im just more interested in facts about if something is good or not. Not just a philosophical good vs bad discussion.
Pretty much this.
So the solution is to offer taxpayer subsides? Once we go down that road past a certain point someone will always lure the industry away with even cheaper and better subsides.
Sure we lose potential gross dollars when big projects move away but it's the net affect that is important and the industry needs to be able to stand on it's own to a certain point as well.
Brain Sergeant
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Games Industry, not film.
You said there is 10 others and then name 1. Those ones that I listed are the 5 biggest. Shows that don't get picked up don't matter. They film for a short period of time and then thats it.They dont offer continued filming in the area. Sure they provide jobs for a short time, but I'd rather have big production network shows that film here continually.
Yes, I know that.
I wasn't advocating increasing the subsidies and tax breaks, but the industry needs something that drives large productions here.
