Loving the whining and "rigged" talk....

[tailgunner]

And I'm sure you believe in the second Avril Lavigne theory.

I sure do...I even saw Elvis and Jim Morrison the other day at 7-11 buying beer together, they were heading to a secret party

 

[Larrybiv]

Absolutely "kind blowing" how we can say things like "we can overpay, for the right 2C/potential 1C" (not verbatim). Reason I mention this is.......wasn't it only about 3 or 4 years ago that we only had "hopes" for guys like Lettieri, Nieves and just drafted Chytil and Lias?
We literally had Zippo on our farm to "overpay" for a waterboy. Now.......it really seems that we can "overpay", but doesn't mean we "should". Affording that possibility, I suppose.......is quite the opportunity.
I simply cannot believe our good fortune. No, I did NOT make a deal with the , I just begged our Lord......which is quite different.

 

[Larrybiv]

Just one thing missing from this unbelievable good fortune. Drama. There really is no game to be played amongst all of us as to "whom" they will or should pick.
It's pretty clear cut ......isn't it? Thank God Sather isn't making that call/decision. Or, is he?

 

[Thirty One]

Just one thing missing from this unbelievable good fortune. Drama. There really is no game to be played amongst all of us as to "whom" they will or should pick.
It's pretty clear cut ......isn't it? Thank God Sather isn't making that call/decision. Or, is he?

I bet they trade the Carolina pick and this is the second straight boring draft with no suspense at all. Can't catch a break.

 

[patnyrnyg]

another thing...no franchise has suffered more in the history of the NHL than the Rangers....we should have 2 more stanley cups and Detroit should have 2 less Stanley cups...in 1937 we met the redwings in the cup final but had to play all the games in Detroit because MSG was not available due to the Circus, well we lost that 5 game series 3-2, if we had at least 2 games at MSG we would of won that cup, same thing in 1950 against the redwings again, we lost that series in game 7 double OT with no games being held at MSG....then factor in the unfair drafting rules where montreal and toronto got all the great players and we got nobody in any draft whatsoever...we have been screwed for a very long time, we deserve this pick more than anybody in the NHL

It wasn't the draft, the rules were different. Teams had sponsorship agreements with jr teams and signed kids at young ages. Rangers had Gordie Howe in for a tryout when he was 15. There is of course the story of the Habs buying an entire league to get the rights to Jean Beliveau. Plus, for a good portion of the O6 era, the league was run by the Norris family and stacked 3 teams (habs, leafs, wings). From 56-79 (I know the O6 ended in 1967) the Leafs or Habs won the Cup in all but 5 years. Aside from the Rangers drought, the Hawks won in 38, 61, and then not again until 2010. Bruins won in 41 then not again until 70. Wings won 4 in early 50s and 1 in the 40s. Leafs and Habs won the rest.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Just one thing missing from this unbelievable good fortune. Drama. There really is no game to be played amongst all of us as to "whom" they will or should pick.
It's pretty clear cut ......isn't it? Thank God Sather isn't making that call/decision. Or, is he?

They have not yet told Sather they won the draft. They cut off his satellite access in Banff. 5 minutes before the draft, they will tell him, which will not be enough time for him to screw anything up.

 

[patnyrnyg]

At first I was like how dumb are these people? Now I think it's more fun to agree with them!

Me too!

I don't know---I'm not really a physics guy but it seems to me if our ball was heavier than others it would have been more likely floating along on the bottom than towards the top or might have just gone half way up the flue than all the way. Heaviest ball wins.

Nah, opposite. Story I go with when I agree it was rigged is that the Rangers had a regular ping pong ball. The other 7 were mini shot-puts. When the guy pushed the button, the machine was designed to also minimize the suction. Machine was now not strong enough to lift the heavier balls, so it had to eventually grab the Rangers ball. Then, to add to it, I point out how long it took for the Rangers ball to actually get to the chute once the button was pushed. Then, point out how the other balls were all just sitting at bottom barely moving once button was pushed.

 

[patnyrnyg]

The whole weighted ball theory is so dumb. The ball would fall to the bottom of the lottery machine and be less likely bounce and rise up to the chute. People will find a million ways to discredit draft lotteries. The entire idea of it isnt perfect and it never will be.

I've heard several Devils fans whining about it too. About how the whole second phase was BS. They won two years in a row for crying out loud. stfu. But hearing them bitch about it is GOLD to me.

2 out of 3, but also won a few years ago when they moved up from 9th to 4th. It was the first year they had missed the play-offs since 1996 and they won the lottery.

But, I agree it was stupid. Should have just waited til Monday. Weighted the 15 teams like they always do and run the same lottery you run every year. Do not understand why they were in such a rush to do it in June.

 

[Thirty One]

2 out of 3, but also won a few years ago when they moved up from 9th to 4th. It was the first year they had missed the play-offs since 1996 and they won the lottery.

That got them Larsson, who got them Hall.

 

[eco's bones]

It wasn't the draft, the rules were different. Teams had sponsorship agreements with jr teams and signed kids at young ages. Rangers had Gordie Howe in for a tryout when he was 15. There is of course the story of the Habs buying an entire league to get the rights to Jean Beliveau. Plus, for a good portion of the O6 era, the league was run by the Norris family and stacked 3 teams (habs, leafs, wings). From 56-79 (I know the O6 ended in 1967) the Leafs or Habs won the Cup in all but 5 years. Aside from the Rangers drought, the Hawks won in 38, 61, and then not again until 2010. Bruins won in 41 then not again until 70. Wings won 4 in early 50s and 1 in the 40s. Leafs and Habs won the rest.

There was also the 50 mile radius rule---player playing within 50 miles of the Montreal Forum automatically belonged to the Montreal Canadiens which worked out pretty good for the Maple Leafs and the Maple Leaf Gardens too. For the other four teams that radius rule worked like shit. There is a reason why so many Rangers teams of the 40's, 50's and 60's are dotted with Western Canadians keeping in mind that the Leafs and Habs could go after those players too. There was also a reason why Montreal natives Rod Gilbert and Jean Ratelle ended up playing junior hockey in Guelph Ontario--because Montreal was so stacked that those two childhood friends thought their best chance to become NHL players was to get out of town.

 

[eco's bones]

Me too!

Nah, opposite. Story I go with when I agree it was rigged is that the Rangers had a regular ping pong ball. The other 7 were mini shot-puts. When the guy pushed the button, the machine was designed to also minimize the suction. Machine was now not strong enough to lift the heavier balls, so it had to eventually grab the Rangers ball. Then, to add to it, I point out how long it took for the Rangers ball to actually get to the chute once the button was pushed. Then, point out how the other balls were all just sitting at bottom barely moving once button was pushed.

You left out the deception of the button pusher. Yeah he looked like he wasn't looking but he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[patnyrnyg]

There was also the 50 mile radius rule---player playing within 50 miles of the Montreal Forum automatically belonged to the Montreal Canadiens which worked out pretty good for the Maple Leafs and the Maple Leaf Gardens too. For the other four teams that radius rule worked like shit. There is a reason why so many Rangers teams of the 40's, 50's and 60's are dotted with Western Canadians keeping in mind that the Leafs and Habs could go after those players too. There was also a reason why Montreal natives Rod Gilbert and Jean Ratelle ended up playing junior hockey in Guelph Ontario--because Montreal was so stacked that those two childhood friends thought their best chance to become NHL players was to get out of town.

territorial rights were not really a thing. Only 1 or 2 players who were ever claimed via territorial rights ever made the NHL. It only applied to players who were not signed by other teams. The territorial rights rule is one of the biggest misconceptions of the history of the league. Same with the first few drafts. Only players that were eligible were players who had not already signed with teams. Basically, the leftovers. The first draft was in 1963. 24 players drafted and only 5 ever played in the NHL.

1963 NHL Amateur Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

The first legit draft wasn't until 1970, I believe.

 

[HFBS]

territorial rights were not really a thing. Only 1 or 2 players who were ever claimed via territorial rights ever made the NHL. It only applied to players who were not signed by other teams. The territorial rights rule is one of the biggest misconceptions of the history of the league. Same with the first few drafts. Only players that were eligible were players who had not already signed with teams. Basically, the leftovers. The first draft was in 1963. 24 players drafted and only 5 ever played in the NHL.

1963 NHL Amateur Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

The first legit draft wasn't until 197o, I believe.

Whatever the rules were, it wasn't an accident that all the great French players wound up on the Canadiens and all the great non-French players wound up on the Maple Leafs. The league was in effect fixed for 40 years. It was only until the original expansion when 6 new teams came into the league that the league was forced to level the playing field. Counting the career runs of the last players in that system the American teams including the Rangers were cheated for 50 years.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Whatever the rules were, it wasn't an accident that all the great French players wound up on the Canadiens and all the great non-French players wound up on the Maple Leafs. The league was in effect fixed for 40 years. It was only until the original expansion when 6 new teams came into the league that the league was forced to level the playing field. Counting the career runs of the last players in that system the American teams including the Rangers were cheated for 50 years.

I am well aware, I thought I made that clear in my 2 posts. That is why I laugh at Isles fans when they talk about 1 cup in 80 years. and when they talk shit about the rangers not winning in the O6 days.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

territorial rights were not really a thing. Only 1 or 2 players who were ever claimed via territorial rights ever made the NHL. It only applied to players who were not signed by other teams. The territorial rights rule is one of the biggest misconceptions of the history of the league. Same with the first few drafts. Only players that were eligible were players who had not already signed with teams. Basically, the leftovers. The first draft was in 1963. 24 players drafted and only 5 ever played in the NHL.

1963 NHL Amateur Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

The first legit draft wasn't until 1970, I believe.

Yeah, calling it "Territorial rights" is misleading. It was more a sponsorship system where players contracted to teams affiliated with NHL organizations were ineligible

 

[NikC]

Having spoken to many of them they care very very much. Not being sarcastic. Thry hate how no one has respect for the fanbase or franchise

No one? Who? Flyer fans? Gimme a break, you can hate on them all you want, but any, ANY hockey fan would take their decade of dominance and 3 cups!!

I'm sure you'll appreciate everytime some 4th line plug hooks, holds, and cheap shots our young top players

 

[Leetch3]

lol

 

[aufheben]

Why complain about this? Would you prefer losing the lottery just to avoid knobs on the internet? Just ignore it or embrace it. This kid is going to be under cosmic scrutiny.

 

[Fitzy]

Why complain about this? Would you prefer losing the lottery just to avoid knobs on the internet? Just ignore it or embrace it. This kid is going to be under cosmic scrutiny.

As with the 6 goalie system remarks, I'd much rather be good.

I really couldn't care any less what fans of other teams think, I'm here to enjoy the Rangers myself. No one else gives a shit about hockey where I live anyways

 

[haohmaru]

ZERO first overall picks since the league expanded in 1967.

"Rigged"

L - O - EFFING - L

 

[Thirty One]

Why complain about this? Would you prefer losing the lottery just to avoid knobs on the internet?

Honestly, yes.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Its either that the lottery was rigged or Isles and Devils fans trying so damn hard to convince themselves that the Rangers are so weak down the middle and on D that it won't matter while ignoring that they have a deep system that is better than both of theirs that they can tap into to land players.

 

[Black Aces]

Its either that the lottery was rigged or Isles and Devils fans trying so damn hard to convince themselves that the Rangers are so weak down the middle and on D that it won't matter while ignoring that they have a deep system that is better than both of theirs that they can tap into to land players.

Zibanejad apparently hopes to be as good as "Nico" or "Jack"

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Zibanejad apparently hopes to be as good as "Nico" or "Jack"

Not surprised.

Sabres South has funny logic.

 

[broadwayblue]

I love all the sour grapes. I really do. "So the Rangers get Lafreniere, they still have no centers and their D sucks". It's really a shame we only get Alexis for one season...I mean just think what this team could become if they got him for a few years or even an entire career!